GRAND NATIONAL

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AIBU to think that a £400 fine for excessive use of a whip by a jockey is not enough. In this case, the jockey was the winner and received £560000. I think he should lose his place to the second finisher, and still pay the £400 fine, otherwise it isn't fair on the other jockeys in the face.

Vile event and I can’t understand how any horse lover could like it with two horses dying this year and so many other deaths.

It’s horrible and no one should encourage it

Far worse things are done to animals in the food industry.

The whole thing needs banned its horrific.

@Antarcticant

Far worse things are done to animals in the food industry.

So?

So?

So the Grand National shouldn't be top of the list of things to ban for the sake of animal welfare.

@Antarcticant

Far worse things are done to animals in the food industry.

Every time... so BEFORE we stop killing horses for fun, we have to stop killing them for food. Why can't there be a 2 pronged approach.

I watched it and I was appalled. At the first fence the tent came out to cover a horse that was limping having fallen at the first fence. The horse probably had a broken leg. Jockey was stretchered off. For entertainment.
It is a blood sport. The horses are raced from being 2 years old so not fully formed at all until they are atleast 4. What happens to all these horses if they fail and if they get injured. What is the average life expectancy of a race horse I would bet probably 5-7 years old. Where are the fields full of retired racehorses?
But it’s lots of money so who gives a shit about dead horses, crap wages and anorexic jockys.

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

The winning jockey is an amateur so doesn’t get any prize money or riding fee. The fine of £400 is the maximum the stewards can impose on an amateur because of that.

£400 is hardly an inconvenience to him is it, he’s not exactly short, maybe it should be related to income (I feel like there’s another sport that fines based on income rather than set figures? Will need to google).

He’s also got a 9 day ban which is bloody pointless given he’s retired

I fucking hate the Grand national with a passion, and the people who bet on it are encouraging the disgusting cruelty. The massive line of beautiful race horses lined up outside the slaughterhouse near my village during the pandemic made me physically sick. I think some of it made the newspapers, but it was mostly hushed up.
To all the people involved in the Grand National, in fact all racing, or who bet on it, a plague on all your arseholes.

It's a dreadful event with plenty of behind the scenes abuse and horses being sent to the knackers yard, dressed up as a grand day our an fancy dresses and hats and a jolly bet. The whole thing is outdated & vile

The jockeys choose to parcipitate - the horses don't.

The whole industry is cruel.

Horses that don't make the grade or get too old usually go for petfood. A few lucky ones are taken in by sanctuaries .

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2 horses have died, its time this horrible so called sporting event was banned. Its all about the money.

Can’t stand it, won’t watch it. Ever. It’s animal cruelty in the name of “entertainment”. I firmly believe, for every time the jockey whips his horse, he should get the same, across his nether regions, after the race. I would bet my house that whips would miraculously stop being used! Animals are NOT entertainment

Disgusting "sport". Ban it. The betting men and chavs who like it can find something else to spend their time on.

I love how all these people who care SO DEEPLY about horse welfare all show up to object to it, only ever on national weekend. Where are you the rest of the year?? Oh yeah, you don’t care.

[quote Thesefeetaremadeforwalking]The jockeys choose to parcipitate - the horses don't.

The whole industry is cruel.

Horses that don't make the grade or get too old usually go for petfood. A few lucky ones are taken in by sanctuaries .

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This is categorically untrue.

The story you have linked to regards a stud going bankrupt - a very different situation to horses not making the grade in racing. Far from all going for meat and a very few going to sanctuaries, the majority of those horses who don't make the grade are normally sold on to people like me, who reschool them for all kinds of activities because they're generally extremely athletic and able to do all kinds of disciplines if you're competent enough to do a good job with them.

I love how all these people who care SO DEEPLY about horse welfare all show up to object to it, only ever on national weekend. Where are you the rest of the year?? Oh yeah, you don’t care.

Cant speak for others but I’m campaigning, looking after our rescue animals and volunteering at a shelter all year round. Thinks like the grand national do tend to focus people’s minds and any awareness is good.

@Antarcticant

So?

So the Grand National shouldn't be top of the list of things to ban for the sake of animal welfare.

Nobody said it was. It's a discussion about the GN though, not about animal welfare in general. Perhaps you misread?

@TheOriginalEmu

I love how all these people who care SO DEEPLY about horse welfare all show up to object to it, only ever on national weekend. Where are you the rest of the year?? Oh yeah, you don’t care.

I object all year round. I joined a discussion about the GN today. What's the issue? Are we only allowed to participate if we hand in a note first stating our year round views?

Seriously this kind of minimalist thinking must be restricting for you.

I love how all these people who care SO DEEPLY about horse welfare all show up to object to it, only ever on national weekend. Where are you the rest of the year?? Oh yeah, you don’t care.
An incredibly disingenuous take.

You can validly voice your dissent to animal abuse, or any other matter, without making it your life’s work - and protesting at the highest profile event is about as good a platform as any.

Nobody said it was. It's a discussion about the GN though, not about animal welfare in general. Perhaps you misread?

I don't think it's a subject you can silo.

And in any case even if people did only start to object because of the GN do what? There has to be a starting point, for all. Surely the more people objecting, the better?

£400 is hardly an inconvenience to him is it, he’s not exactly short,

I think you'll find he is

@Muminabun

I watched it and I was appalled. At the first fence the tent came out to cover a horse that was limping having fallen at the first fence. The horse probably had a broken leg. Jockey was stretchered off. For entertainment. It is a blood sport. The horses are raced from being 2 years old so not fully formed at all until they are atleast 4. What happens to all these horses if they fail and if they get injured. What is the average life expectancy of a race horse I would bet probably 5-7 years old. Where are the fields full of retired racehorses? But it’s lots of money so who gives a shit about dead horses, crap wages and anorexic jockys.

The minimum age for a horse to enter the national is 7. The oldest winner was 15 and the average age is 9. Flat race horses and jump/steeplechasers are two different things, trained in different ways

So the Grand National shouldn't be top of the list of things to ban for the sake of animal welfare.
Agreed, this is why we should never do anything about anything, or even bother holding opinions.

If you can’t right all of the world’s wrongs simultaneously, what’s the point in doing anything?