Rishi Sunak’s wife is NOT elected OR in a public role but she is a woman

[BigGreenSpacehopper]

Have you noticed that Zac Goldsmith (elected), Mark Carney (role of significance to all of us as Govenor of the Bank of England), 4th Viscount Rothmere (controlling shareholder and Chair of the Daily Mail) all have non Dom status but no mention is really made. However, a woman, who has no public role, has never said anything public, is being criticised for her non Dom status?

And yes she’s getting massive dividends but I imagine as it’s family money there is a massive pre-nup in place so it’s not like Rishi will be able to run off with it!

@VladmirsPoutine

But Sunak can and never will be PM. It's just not a realistic prospect for him. It really isn't and it has nothing to do with his millionaire/billionaire status or that of his wife's.

Its not a prospect for him now, if that was the object the sense of entitlement has overridden the political sense. Launching "investigations" when some of this stuff has been circulating for quite a while will only make things worse as to most of the public it looks like this:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/morten-morland-sunday-times-cartoon-april-10-2022-02l0zbj2m

However they could well produce the first minority premier for much the same reason they produced the first woman (and the first Jewish and RC prime ministers).

If a strong potential winner came along who was from a minority community they would once again suck it up to gain power. Nothing would likely improve for minorities, any more than Margaret Thatcher brought improvements for women's rights but much would be made of it.

@C8H10N4O2 They might get behind him if he was a winning prospect but they'd be taking a huge gamble. I don't think most people think they're voting for their 'local' MP when they vote. They're ostensibly placing a vote for either Labour, Tories, Lib Dems or whoever.. I think most people see it as the bigger picture of who they want to be in No.10 and I just don't think the UK is a post-racial society. This isn't the U.S who's 1st black president is also half white in other words not fully black.

Perhaps painting him as the 'model minority' might be a goer. A boy who did good etc but as we've all now come to learn that his background is very far from that reality and he actually would have been better of financially having never joined politics to begin with. He can't be PM. It's not going to happen whichever way people want to look at it.

I'm not fighting his corner at all. But when you lay out all his cards on the table he can't offer anything to anyone. The tories themselves will bring him down before Labour get a chance to.

@Blossomtoes

There’s one reason why Johnson’s in Kyiv - no photo opportunity ever willingly missed.

Plus he kept it from Truss (and she is Foreign Sec!)

Didn't want her doing the photo ops with her.

We have devolved into a reality show.

It really is quite sad.

him*

It would be a hilarious twist in the tale if Priti was revealed as the one who leaked it ( since she is no dimmer than Truss and must also fancy her chance as PM). Even more so after her very openly tactile support of Rishi straight after he delivered his budget speech!

@Soffit

It would be a hilarious twist in the tale if Priti was revealed as the one who leaked it ( since she is no dimmer than Truss and must also fancy her chance as PM). Even more so after her very openly tactile support of Rishi straight after he delivered his budget speech!

If she fancies her chances as PM, she’s deluded.

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2022/04/our-cabinet-league-table-sunak-plunges-to-third-from-bottom.html

jgw1
@ Clavinova have you had the same memo that says one has to abandon defending NoTax and instead big up Big Dog?

I don't think I need to 'big up Big Dog' - he's doing quite well himself:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61052643

www.spectator.co.uk/article/at-least-boris-johnson-knows-the-difference-between-men-and-women

@VladmirsPoutine
Perhaps painting him as the 'model minority' might be a goer. A boy who did good etc but as we've all now come to learn that his background is very far from that reality and he actually would have been better of financially having never joined politics to begin with. He can't be PM. It's not going to happen whichever way people want to look at it

Yes he is definitely a shot bolt and I agree with you on society in general. They would only put up a minority if they had both a strong position and that person could bring votes they struggle to get. Hard to see who that would be at the moment since most of their more senior minority MPs are public school boys like Sunak. Patel is too divisive, I thought they might have a crack with Javid at one point but I don't see this country electing a Muslim atm, not even a secular one (although I note he his quietly getting his own non-dom history out whilst the fuss is focused on Sunak).

The top table in the current government is pretty thin on talent of any background having positioned people for ideology rather than ability.

Crikeyalmighty
[non-doms] are rarely super rich Swedes or Germans or Italians— it’s nearly always non Europeans.

Quite a few Europeans -

More than 93% of non-doms were born abroad, coming mainly from Western Europe, India and the US.

Within London, there are clear national enclaves around focal points such as international schools and consulates. For example, South Kensington, which is close to the French Consulate, Lycée Français Charles de Gaulles, and the Institut Français, has large groups of non-doms from France.

Mike Savage, Professor at LSE’s Sociology Department and III, said: "Let’s not get carried away with stereotypes about Russian oligarchs. Most non-doms are from Britain’s former colonies along with many European nations, and they come here to work. The rapid rise of Indian and Chinese non-doms in the past decade is also notable."

www.lse.ac.uk/News/Latest-news-from-LSE/2022/d-Apr-22/Non-doms

Nothing to do with her being a woman. It doesn’t make the actions of the other people right and they should be held to account. However, her situation is relevant because of Rishi’s role and now it reflects on him. Especially after the financial decisions of late.

[quote C8H10N4O2]@VladmirsPoutine
Perhaps painting him as the 'model minority' might be a goer. A boy who did good etc but as we've all now come to learn that his background is very far from that reality and he actually would have been better of financially having never joined politics to begin with. He can't be PM. It's not going to happen whichever way people want to look at it

Yes he is definitely a shot bolt and I agree with you on society in general. They would only put up a minority if they had both a strong position and that person could bring votes they struggle to get. Hard to see who that would be at the moment since most of their more senior minority MPs are public school boys like Sunak. Patel is too divisive, I thought they might have a crack with Javid at one point but I don't see this country electing a Muslim atm, not even a secular one (although I note he his quietly getting his own non-dom history out whilst the fuss is focused on Sunak).

The top table in the current government is pretty thin on talent of any background having positioned people for ideology rather than ability.[/quote]
For a while, he appeared to be the most promising POC PM-hopeful out of an unexciting group:

Alok - no personality, also has dodgy tax status
Priti - as stated, too divisive
Zahawi - will never reply with a straight answer
Kwazi - a gent but will only ever toe the line - has never created a lightbulb moment/pushed the envelope in interviews
Suella - there is potential there but I get the impression she wouldn't do it

[quote Clavinova]jgw1
@ Clavinova have you had the same memo that says one has to abandon defending NoTax and instead big up Big Dog?

I don't think I need to 'big up Big Dog' - he's doing quite well himself:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61052643

www.spectator.co.uk/article/at-least-boris-johnson-knows-the-difference-between-men-and-women[/quote]
Yes, that is precisely what voters worry about when they can't afford to heat their homes, or use their car due to high petrol prices.

Nobody cares about any of that.

"Its the economy, stupid" is very much applicable here.

That will decide the next election in 2024.

If the Tories do not throw everything they can at the coming economic shockwave that is about to peak in the UK this winter (October 2022 - April 2023), they will never recover from the aftermath. Far too many people will have been empoverished.

The winter of discontent of ages past will be nothing compared to what is about to hit us, due to the very serious combination of:

1. Rising energy prices
2. Rising food prices
3. Rising taxes (NI and Council)
4. High petrol prices

People will die from this. Make no mistake about it. If the Tories want to survive in 2024, they will have to throw as much money at the problem as they can.

Ironically,

That is the only way Sunak can reframe his current predicament with the public. We'll just have to see if he is smart enough to do so.

Suella - there is potential there but I get the impression she wouldn't do it

Suella isn't even up to the AG gig.

Suella isn't even up to the AG gig

I thought Suella Braverman wiped the floor with Wes Streeting on QT a couple of weeks ago - she surprised me.

I completely agree that the economy is what the next election will be fought on. If you can’t afford to heat your house or feed your kids, knowing what a woman is won’t enter into the equation.

If all Johnson has is knowing a woman is a woman then Labour will be feeling pretty confident about the next election.

In any case, I do not actually think they could still have a POC as the next PM because of the economic problems. The unfortunate reality is that both overt and covert racism will definitely increase in the years ahead (always worked that way). The right will lose their appetite for the idea altogether.

@Clavinova

Suella isn't even up to the AG gig

I thought Suella Braverman wiped the floor with Wes Streeting on QT a couple of weeks ago - she surprised me.

I mean, showing up Wes Streeting is not a high bar.

I agree. Putting aside the question of whether or not the UK is ready for a POC PM the issue is that the Tories aren't delivering on their famed promise of being the party of low tax. Every single one of us is noticing the squeeze. Even those who are capable of riding out the storm.

The fact remains, they've stripped most national services. Food banks popping up everywhere, kids starving and people struggling to fuel their cars and heat their homes but even with the millionaires they aren't helping them out either. They aren't currently the party for anyone.

Even their beloved 'squeezed' middle hate them at present. They've had their day.

'Every single one of us is noticing the squeeze. Even those who are capable of riding out the storm.The fact remains, they've stripped most national services. Food banks popping up everywhere'

Again, there was a pandemic that needs paying for. 2 yrs furlough and all the test and trace etc all needs paying for.

Food banks are a good thing. We could've done with them in the 70s and 80s when people went hungry.

It's like complaining that there's more charity shops nowadays. It doesn't mean we are all more poverty stricken it just means there's more ways of helping people.

Food banks are a good thing

I can’t believe I just read that. I thought only Rees Mogg could possibly come out with something so crass. What would be a truly excellent thing would be if food banks were redundant and we didn’t have people so poor they rely on charity to eat. What next? A call to reintroduce workhouses?

Well no Blossomtoes that's all a bit dramatic isn't it, I didn't mention workhouses. My point was there was probably more need for food banks in the dark days of power cuts etc in the 70s when people really did go hungry.
We shouldn't need any charity/volunteer services but we do.

I was a single parent on benefits in the 70s. Food banks weren’t necessary because benefits were enough to live on. I know you didn’t mention workhouses - I did. 🤷‍♀️

'food banks are a good thing'

fucking hell.

what a revolting thing to read. food banks only exist because the Tories have ground so many people into poverty that charity has had to step in.