Rishi Sunak’s wife is NOT elected OR in a public role but she is a woman

[BigGreenSpacehopper]

Have you noticed that Zac Goldsmith (elected), Mark Carney (role of significance to all of us as Govenor of the Bank of England), 4th Viscount Rothmere (controlling shareholder and Chair of the Daily Mail) all have non Dom status but no mention is really made. However, a woman, who has no public role, has never said anything public, is being criticised for her non Dom status?

And yes she’s getting massive dividends but I imagine as it’s family money there is a massive pre-nup in place so it’s not like Rishi will be able to run off with it!

Do you think that the Chancellor and his wife should pay the same proportion of their income in tax as I and my partner do?

How to show you don't understand the non dom status whilst trying to pull the motte and bailey approach about being outraged.

It's a dangerous example you are trying to go down and now she has essentially done a 'fuck you' she will pay it, there will be a lot of sweating going on among a lot of Guardian Journos and the opposition bench. Double taxation because of their spouse is a whole new level of attack line , many countries have non dom status and this is going to be another conflicting situation for the FBPE crowd on twitter that is parroted on here, they just haven't understood it yet.

@BigGreenSpacehopper the issue is that if Rishi Sunak had any moral compunction, his wife would not be avoiding tax.

it's fine for people to say "xxx would be a paltry contribution to the overall debt", but if all the big hitters who avoided / evaded tax paid their dues then us plebs wouldn't be having to shoulder so much of the bill.

It's the same with people who shrug off the parties at Downing Street. Obviously in the grand scheme of things you can argue it's not a big deal, but the issue is of morality, and that our leaders being held to the same standard as we are.

It you are ok with people in power being able to get away with things that you are not, more fool you.

@Justanotherlurker

Do you think that the Chancellor and his wife should pay the same proportion of their income in tax as I and my partner do?

How to show you don't understand the non dom status whilst trying to pull the motte and bailey approach about being outraged.

It's a dangerous example you are trying to go down and now she has essentially done a 'fuck you' she will pay it, there will be a lot of sweating going on among a lot of Guardian Journos and the opposition bench. Double taxation because of their spouse is a whole new level of attack line , many countries have non dom status and this is going to be another conflicting situation for the FBPE crowd on twitter that is parroted on here, they just haven't understood it yet.

So to be clear you don't think the Chancellor and his wife should pay the same proportion of their income in tax as a fairly typical middle income couple?

I hold onto an apparently quaint notion that leaders should set an example, not run away to a fridge to avoid responsibility.

It's a dangerous example you are trying to go down and now she has essentially done a 'fuck you' she will pay it, there will be a lot of sweating going on among a lot of Guardian Journos and the opposition bench. Double taxation because of their spouse is a whole new level of attack line , many countries have non dom status and this is going to be another conflicting situation for the FBPE crowd on twitter that is parroted on here, they just haven't understood it yet.

Exactly.
Good for her, she has just basically given the middle finger. The people who thought it was a cracking good idea to go down this road might be rue the day.

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@BigGreenSpacehopper don't worry, I can manage to despise all those other people, as well as Sunak and his partner. I've even got enough left over for people who use whataboutary as a defence of others who aren't behaviour well.

And as we now know Murthy has always been able to choose whether or not to pay income tax on her Indian/Russian earnings. She's just chosen not to until now.

[quote user1471453601]@BigGreenSpacehopper don't worry, I can manage to despise all those other people, as well as Sunak and his partner. I've even got enough left over for people who use whataboutary as a defence of others who aren't behaviour well.

And as we now know Murthy has always been able to choose whether or not to pay income tax on her Indian/Russian earnings. She's just chosen not to until now.[/quote]
And I strongly suspect she will still be paying a smaller proportion of tax on her income than a typical middle income family.

@Comedycook

I don't think having a chancellor who is so rich is a good idea....how can he have any concept or idea of what life is like for a person on minimum or even average wage, let alone benefits?

That's a good point, yes, but have you considered someone who is very used to dealing with massive sums of money is likely to be better suited to dealing with the national budget?

I can't think of any Chancellor of the Exchequer who hasn't been rich.

Being rich isn't a bar to the job and the Chancellor DOES have civil servants who advise based on their normally decades long experience of it.

They don't work alone handling the £2 trillion kitty.

The damage is now done. This will have lost the tories a lot of votes.

That's a good point, yes, but have you considered someone who is very used to dealing with massive sums of money is likely to be better suited to dealing with the national budget?

No.

Running a country’s economy isn’t anything like having a big pot of money to spend on yourself and family.

@Iggly

That's a good point, yes, but have you considered someone who is very used to dealing with massive sums of money is likely to be better suited to dealing with the national budget?

No.

Running a country’s economy isn’t anything like having a big pot of money to spend on yourself and family.

I wonder if someone who is used to having to budget carefully for each essential expense would be better placed to be Chancellor and less likely to fritter money away on Test and Trace consultants, PPE that doesn't exist and so on?

@Viviennemary

The damage is now done. This will have lost the tories a lot of votes.

I think it’s cumulative. It seems to be one disaster after another. It’s difficult to remember such a gaffe prone government.

It's also wrong to be minimising the amount of tax you pay - while living in a taxpayer funded property.

I think it’s cumulative. It seems to be one disaster after another. It’s difficult to remember such a gaffe prone government.

That will be because they think they are so much better than us that the rules do not apply to them.

@Iggly

That's a good point, yes, but have you considered someone who is very used to dealing with massive sums of money is likely to be better suited to dealing with the national budget?

No.

Running a country’s economy isn’t anything like having a big pot of money to spend on yourself and family.

That's hardly what I said.

People with experience of handling huge sums of money are invariably better placed to handle larger sums of money.

The opposite is true - if a person is not experienced, they will invariably fare badly.

So....can you recall ANY Chancellor Of The Exchequer who wasn't themselves rich?

@jgw1

I think it’s cumulative. It seems to be one disaster after another. It’s difficult to remember such a gaffe prone government.

That will be because they think they are so much better than us that the rules do not apply to them.

Yes, you’re right. The arrogance is staggering.

@LaMereDuChat

It's also wrong to be minimising the amount of tax you pay - while living in a taxpayer funded property.

We are all very lucky to have such a talented man as Chancellor and should be grateful for it. If we were all as talented as he we would each have 12 homes and many kinds of bread.

*That's hardly what I said.

People with experience of handling huge sums of money are invariably better placed to handle larger sums of money.

The opposite is true - if a person is not experienced, they will invariably fare badly.

So....can you recall ANY Chancellor Of The Exchequer who wasn't themselves rich?*

@DownNative if the Chancellor is so good at handling large sums of money why has so much been wasted in the passed two years?
I think of Track and Trace and imaginary PPE for example.

Akshata Murtysays she will now pay tax in the UK

The chancellor and his wife Akshata Murty held US green cards - permitting him residence in the country - until more than a year into his time at 11 Downing Street. Green card holders must pay US tax on their worldwide income and pledge that the US is their forever home.

@jgw1 no, people who are used to having a small budget don't do as well with larger ones.

People on the breadline or tight budgets are not usually as financially literate as those with plenty of it.

There's a reason why we all progress in different things. Money is no different - nobody would find it easy to go from balancing a small budget to balancing a much larger one easily. The less well off definitely have far less opportunity to get used to dealing with extraordinary sums, never mind a personal fortune.

I wonder who is leaking all this now.

Whoever it is will have sat on it for months.

Well done them, but our politics does feel a bit seedy. We are all so open to manipulation - as to who to hate and when.

[quote DownNative]@jgw1 no, people who are used to having a small budget don't do as well with larger ones.

People on the breadline or tight budgets are not usually as financially literate as those with plenty of it.

There's a reason why we all progress in different things. Money is no different - nobody would find it easy to go from balancing a small budget to balancing a much larger one easily. The less well off definitely have far less opportunity to get used to dealing with extraordinary sums, never mind a personal fortune.[/quote]
Given the increasing size of the national debt Rishi even though he is so much better than me at budgeting because he is rich does not appear to be very good at it.

I wonder who is leaking all this now

It’s got Cummings’ fingerprints all over it.

@Figmentofmyimagination

I wonder who is leaking all this now.

Whoever it is will have sat on it for months.

Well done them, but our politics does feel a bit seedy. We are all so open to manipulation - as to who to hate and when.

Currently it appears quite easy to dislike the Tory party given none of them seem to have any morals.

@jgw1

*That's hardly what I said.

People with experience of handling huge sums of money are invariably better placed to handle larger sums of money.

The opposite is true - if a person is not experienced, they will invariably fare badly.

So....can you recall ANY Chancellor Of The Exchequer who wasn't themselves rich?*

@DownNative if the Chancellor is so good at handling large sums of money why has so much been wasted in the passed two years?
I think of Track and Trace and imaginary PPE for example.

Ah, a rhetorical affirmation. In other words, answering a question with another question. It's avoidance.

I will take your non-answer as an affirmation you know of no Chancellor who wasn't rich.

As for your question, people do get things wrong. Governments do get things wrong. Even Labour's own Chancellors have wasted money - they cost Scotland £30billion and the UK £65billion last time.

As I said, mistakes will always be made.

But Chancellors will hardly be from a background that isn't money. Labour's included.