Page 7 | Deeply concerned about Child Safety in Bristol

MatthewJTaylor · 2022-04-07T20:28:03+00:00

From May 5th to May 8th 2022, the Tobacco Factory Theatres in Bristol is having performances of "The Family Sex Show". This show is aimed at children 5 years old and up. The performers involved get naked. The discussion with the children is on sex, sexuality and sexual pleasure. I cannot imagine brining a 5 year old child to a theatre where people will to to her/him about sex and show their naked bodies to her/him. Am I the crazy one? Sources: [[https://thefamilysexshow.com/tfss The Family Sex Show website]] [[https://tobaccofactorytheatres.com/shows/the-family-sex-show/ Listing at The Tobacco Factory Theatres]]

ickky · 07/04/2022 23:20

It's stated plainly in the FAQs that people are free to leave and come back in as they wish if there are parts they're not comfortable or happy with

I didn't see the Hokey Pokey listed. I'm sure the "actors" like all the in out, in out, shake it all about though.

FFS

MichelleScarn · 07/04/2022 23:21

@PrelateChuckles

It's stated plainly in the FAQs that people are free to leave and come back in as they wish if there are parts they're not comfortable or happy with.

Cool, so as with everything else like this, first you have to wait for it to happen before you can stop it? ffs.

Literally the P in the NSPCC PANTS is that privates are private so how they claim their show is NSPCC aligned I do not know

Exactly. It goes against everything taught in schools.

Absolutely! But you can just tell that this It's stated plainly in the FAQs that people are free to leave and come back in as they wish if there are parts they're not comfortable or happy with is stated in the whiny tone of "just be cool man, just get with the programme and get down with us right progressive thinkers"...

Lockheart · 07/04/2022 23:21

@Clymene

It's not 'morality police' *@Lockheart*

Or do you think it's fine if I sit in my living room watching porn with my infant school kid. If not, why not?

I'm guessing you'd think that was inappropriate and wrong. What's right about this? Do you think that 5 year olds need to learn about sexual pleasure?

I'm asking you because you're dismissing concerns but not saying where you'd draw the line. I'm interested to know.

Well for one you'd be committing a crime by showing pornographic material to a child. The poster I responded to wasn't talking about illegal, they were talking about "inappropriate". I.e. morality police, not police-police. So the scenario doesn't work.

A better one would be "do you think I should sit down with my child and tell them about sex and why we do it?" In which case my answer would be absolutely, as long as it's done in an age appropriate way.

I don't think there's anything wrong with children being given sex education which includes information on pleasure, no, as long as it's done in an age appropriate way. For too long female pleasure has been totally glossed over in schools (the clitoris does not even get mentioned, it's not a dirty word or an organ to be embarrassed about, it's just another body part) and the focus on the biological mechanics of reproduction above all else has led to generations of people poorly equipped for the complexities of sexual relationships as adults. In an age where children are learning more from porn than from school, and at younger ages, and where sexual behaviour is becoming more dysfunctional as a result, I think it's vital that we counter that with thorough sex education before they're exposed to the harms of porn online.

MichelleScarn · 07/04/2022 23:22

Oh and be sure to know we'll all be watching and aware of you horrible people leaving our wonderful show!

CherryBlossomAutumn · 07/04/2022 23:24

Totally appalled by this.

This is naivety in the extreme which has no idea of child safeguarding, establishing boundaries for kids or the vulnerable. I have a SN child and have been doing a lot of work around this - which this show drives a truck down. Things like private parts of their body are theirs alone and never to show or be shown. Grooming is breaking down those boundaries. Parents aren’t always taught how to help their kids with safeguarding either (and are sometimes the problem) so it’s not okay to say it’s up to the parent.

MichelleScarn · 07/04/2022 23:24

I think it's vital that we counter that with thorough sex education before they're exposed to the harms of porn online. and FIVE is the age for this @Lockheart ?

Puddinandpie · 07/04/2022 23:24

This is exactly what is wrong with the world today! Honestly it is sickening

HelloDaisy · 07/04/2022 23:24

Personally I think this is completely inappropriate and I despair of our society.

Trouble with this growing need with some people to share all this stuff with kids is that they are looking at it from an adult viewpoint rather than the child’s and thinking it’s good to get it out in the open. However, I don’t think the children are emotionally ready for all this information and have enough learning to do without being swamped with this too.

Much better to teach them about respect, kindness, allowing individuality etc and just let them be children, there’s enough time as an adult to learn everything else. Society is going in the wrong direction and so far it’s not producing happier kids..

Rinatinabina · 07/04/2022 23:25

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Lockheart · 07/04/2022 23:25

@MichelleScarn

I think it's vital that we counter that with thorough sex education before they're exposed to the harms of porn online. and FIVE is the age for this *@Lockheart* ?

You'd be surprised how young children are exposed to porn by their peers in school.

bouquetofpeonies · 07/04/2022 23:28

@FromEden

Sexual development and behaviour in children starts from birth.

This sounds like something that paedophile activists like PIE/nambla say.

Exactly. You see it a lot - someone will say that children are so very emotionally intelligent and accepting, and it's the silly parents who are close minded. Conveniently leaving out the fact that although, yes, children are naturally altruistic, they are very gullible and naive and likely to be exploited if they are not protected. They exploit children's natural curiosity and trust.

MichelleScarn · 07/04/2022 23:29

Have had a proper look at the website now, as soon as I see a 'bring your whole self' tagine it puts me off.
Absolutely hiding in plain sight.

PrelateChuckles · 07/04/2022 23:29

A better one would be "do you think I should sit down with my child and tell them about sex and why we do it?" In which case my answer would be absolutely, as long as it's done in an age appropriate way.

Do you think it is age-appropriate to have an adult get naked and talk about sexual pleasure to a 5-year-old?
Or a 6-year-old? 7? 8?

Or do you think the current teaching that 'privates are private' is correct?

PunchMunch · 07/04/2022 23:30

[quote Lowhum]MAP is the new term for paedophile.

Anyone fancy giving their podcast a whirl? pod.co/the-family-sex-show-starts-here[/quote]
Currently listening to most recent episode about discussing porn with kids, the blokes son is 20 and about his get his own phone, and part of the example questions or ways to discuss with your kids involve questions like "why might someone watch porn" "what sort of things make touching good or comfortable" "what sort of things make touching bad or uncomfortable" "how might people feel when they experience good touch". "I know some people might have seen porn when you get and that's ok but do you know what the legal age to watch is?" "If you come across something you might have questions about or that upset you do you feel you have someone to talk about it with?"

Then woman starts saying about broader topics and how you can discuss "ethical porn" without cantering the discussion around harmful porn. That's as far as I've got because the dog needs her last walk and I can't find my airpods and I don't fancy that playing on loud speaker but I'll finish when I'm home, it says there's transcripts of the podcast when I click the link it takes me to the theatre show info.

lifeturnsonadime · 07/04/2022 23:31

You'd be surprised how young children are exposed to porn by their peers in school.

Oh that old chestnut!

I've heard the same thing about allowing males into single sex spaces.

Just because there is a risk it doesn't mean that all safeguarding should be removed.

What kind of people think that this is actually OK?

Clymene · 07/04/2022 23:32

Thank you for responding @Lockheart

A better one would be "do you think I should sit down with my child and tell them about sex and why we do it?" In which case my answer would be absolutely, as long as it's done in an age appropriate way.

I disagree. I don't think small children need to be 'sat down' and told about why we have sex. I don't think there's an age appropriate way ri tell children that young about sex.

Sex education at this age should be child led. 5 year olds don't need to know about pleasure. Or the clitoris.

Clymene · 07/04/2022 23:32

Are you a teacher @Lockheart?

PunchMunch · 07/04/2022 23:33

The podcast transcripts of anyone wants to read them.

thefamilysexshow.com/podcast-transcript

PrelateChuckles · 07/04/2022 23:33

You'd be surprised how young children are exposed to porn by their peers in school.

Go on then, how young? How consistently? Do you have data?
If someone knows that an infant school pupil is 'exposed to porn' and thinks 'well, that's just the way things are' then something is seriously wrong.

Lockheart · 07/04/2022 23:34

@PrelateChuckles

A better one would be "do you think I should sit down with my child and tell them about sex and why we do it?" In which case my answer would be absolutely, as long as it's done in an age appropriate way.

Do you think it is age-appropriate to have an adult get naked and talk about sexual pleasure to a 5-year-old?
Or a 6-year-old? 7? 8?

Or do you think the current teaching that 'privates are private' is correct?

Well given there is no sit-down chat between a naked adult and a child in this show, we can happily discount that scenario can't we?

I don't think there is anything wrong with children seeing non-sexual nudity whether that's at the theatre, the beach, the changing rooms, art galleries etc.

I don't think that clashes with teaching children about appropriate behaviour, consent, and that they should keep their own private parts private.

PrelateChuckles · 07/04/2022 23:35

Do you think it is age-appropriate to have an adult get naked and talk about sexual pleasure to a 5-year-old?
Or a 6-year-old? 7? 8?

Or do you think the current teaching that 'privates are private' is correct?

Lockheart you didn't answer this. You made up a different question and answered that. Are you able to answer what I asked, or not?

MichelleScarn · 07/04/2022 23:35

What kind of people think that this is actually OK?

Grim folk with dubious intentions I would wager!

WalkerWalking · 07/04/2022 23:36

How is it non-sexual nudity, when the whole show is about sex!!

Lockheart · 07/04/2022 23:36

@PrelateChuckles

You'd be surprised how young children are exposed to porn by their peers in school.

Go on then, how young? How consistently? Do you have data?
If someone knows that an infant school pupil is 'exposed to porn' and thinks 'well, that's just the way things are' then something is seriously wrong.

It's fairly well reported that the average age is only 11. The average. Children as young as 7 are exposed to porn by their peers.

www.bbfc.co.uk/about-us/news/children-see-pornography-as-young-as-seven-new-report-finds

PrelateChuckles · 07/04/2022 23:37

To be clear, the show involves adults talking about sexual pleasure to children and getting naked.

I didn't say anything about them 'sitting down', it was the fact that you seemed to have some kind of notion about what you consider age-appropriate, yet also seem to think the contents of the show are appropriate for infants, that I want to get to the bottom of.