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Deeply concerned about Child Safety in Bristol

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MatthewJTaylor · 07/04/2022 21:28

From May 5th to May 8th 2022, the Tobacco Factory Theatres in Bristol is having performances of "The Family Sex Show".
This show is aimed at children 5 years old and up.
The performers involved get naked.
The discussion with the children is on sex, sexuality and sexual pleasure.

I cannot imagine brining a 5 year old child to a theatre where people will to to her/him about sex and show their naked bodies to her/him.

Am I the crazy one?

Sources:
The Family Sex Show website
Listing at The Tobacco Factory Theatres

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Wideawakeandconfused · 08/04/2022 10:26

Sounds very much like PIE (old reference) has found a way to push their agenda through the ‘Arts’. And it’s supported by tax payers money.

Deeply disturbing that this has been allowed. Wolf in sheeps clothing. No 5 year old (or any child) will benefit from watching.

DomesticatedZombie · 08/04/2022 10:26

shreddednips

This is absolutely mind-boggling. I've taught the PSHE curriculum across KS1 and 2 and this is a million miles away from what's taught in schools.

Of course children shouldn't grow up feeling ashamed of their bodies or feelings, but this is not the way to deliver that message. It's incredibly dangerous to give children the idea that it's normal for adults to talk to them about sexual pleasure and show them their naked bodies. Furthermore, the way the show is described makes it sound like it's being presented as a good thing.

It's not the same as age-appropriate discussions and sex education taking place in the context of a safe family unit. Outside of that context, or the context of sex education delivered by a teacher in a class trained to teach these topics appropriately, it's not acceptable for adults to discuss sex with children AT ALL. Otherwise, how can children be expected to tell the difference between factual conversations with safe adults and grooming. If it's normalised, children may not find it odd or uncomfortable when someone has nefarious intentions.

Finally, I can make a decision about whether this is something I want to go and see because I am an adult and I have a full understanding of what to expect. Five year olds, and any child for that matter, are not able to consent. If somebody wanted to get naked in front of me while talking about sex, I would expect them to obtain my consent first. Non-sexual nudity, like in the context of seeing a parent in the bathroom or someone getting changed at the beach, is not the same as this- because the entire premise is around sexual acts and feelings.

Yep 100%

theDudesmummy · 08/04/2022 10:28

This is fucking unbelievable. I have no words.

placemats · 08/04/2022 10:32

Sexual education in primary schools concentrates on relationships and boundaries, sex isn't mentioned in key stage one. I think this is a good way of approaching this.

In key stage 2, there will be separate talks regarding puberty and the changes that take place and obviously this is a good thing, especially when it comes to young girls who may start their periods in primary school.

These talks are with trusted teachers and parents do have the option to take their children out of these talks, but most do not.

This show is breaking down consent and boundaries that have been in place for decades, if not centuries.

I'm reminded of the raising of consent brought up in parliament at the beginning of the 20th century. Most of the mp's - male - were horrified that they couldn't 'see' their 12 year old prostitute.

partystress · 08/04/2022 10:32

Not got premium, so can’t see posters’ histories, but there sure is a surprising number of people keen to get on here and offer non-evidenced references to what is taught by law in schools…. On a thread on which several teachers have quite clearly demonstrated that this show bears no relation to the statutory RSE requirements.

Why would that be?

DomesticatedZombie · 08/04/2022 10:33

I'm just running out the door - I've archived a few pages of the theatre show, if anyone has time and is able I think it would be good to archive/copy as much as you can.

HangingRock25 · 08/04/2022 10:35

@partystress You don't need premium to see poster's histories. Seeing poster's histories has been a thing here for a decade or more. You click on Advanced search at the top (I'm on laptop so may be different on a mobile or app) and enter the details.

SouthernFashionista · 08/04/2022 10:42

Is anyone tweeting about this?

Georgyporky · 08/04/2022 10:43

Simple answer is DON'T GO.

OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg · 08/04/2022 10:43

Quite apart from the many valid points already made about what a garden-party-buntings-worth of red flags this is, I’m struck by the irony of a theatre group who are clearly captured by gender woo ideology presenting a show about sexual pleasure to children, when the medicalisation of children including as young as 8 and 9 in the name of that same ideology will result in many of them being unable to experience sexual pleasure in their lifetime.

If I were a conspiracy theorist I could see a future argument along the lines of “of course this single digit age child was competent to consent to treatment that would reduce their sexual function as an adult, they’d been to see the Family Sex Show so they understood exactly what they were giving up”… Hmm

Charlize43 · 08/04/2022 10:43

After reading the institutions where this show has been developed (Battersea Arts, Southbank Centre, National Theatre), the really frightening thing is you can see this being programmed into CBBC in a few years time.

I watched Netflix's Jimmy Savile documentary and was appalled how many at the BBC who worked with him knew of the rumours that he liked 'young girls aged 14' and seemed unperturbed about it. That's the shocking thing about it.

partystress · 08/04/2022 10:44

Thank you@HangingRock25! Will investigate.

Have also just looked at the Claire Rayner Body Book because, despite having taught in reception and nursery classes, I didn’t recognise it as the ‘go to text for pre-schoolers’ that a PP mentioned. It looks great, if a little coy in terminology. Apart from one review, I can’t see any reference to it being suitable for pre-schoolers. The consensus seems to be older.

But more significant is the fact that it is a book, with cartoonish illustrations. It is not live adults without clothes. A page can be turned, or pored over - the choice being the child’s.

Again, what’s going through people’s minds when they seek to dismiss safeguarding concerns in this way?

Terfydactyl · 08/04/2022 10:45

@finebutfedup

I am left-leaning and very much of the live and let live, let’s be tolerant frame of mind.

But the fact that this targets children really concerns me. Not because I think it’s grooming or run by pedophiles, but because I think children are being targeted for ideological reasons. Get them while they’re young. Teach them our truth so they will accept it as the norm and we will have changed the social landscape in a generation.

I’m really not sure it’s been created with children’s best interests in mind. It’s more about pushing an agenda.

Nobody thinks “what do children need to know about to have a happier, safer and carefree childhood” and comes up with BDSM and Child abuse (on the glossary list, among others).

Not because I think it’s grooming But it is grooming .

A person may start the grooming process by whatever means they have with a child they know but not get anywhere because reasons like parents are there, the PANTS thing that the child has been taught, the pedo has to leave for other reasons, BUT the process is started. The next pedo has a greater chance of getting further.

Even if the next one gets nowhere for reasons, the one after that has a better chance still.
They openly admit they start grooming hoping it'll bear fruit for them, but accepting if not, the next one has a better chance.

You should find the out in the open MAPs on Twitter and see exactly what they say.
This strikes me as the same thing. Get 5 year olds to know it's ok to be naked around them, and talking about sex whilst your naked is a-ok.
What could possibly go wrong. Even worse if it's a family member doing the abusing, family member will probably know they've been to see this show.

FOJN · 08/04/2022 10:46

Why would that be?

I think someone sends up a distress flare when vipers start bring sunlight and organising, it brings MAP apologists to the thread to shame everyone. Being perceived as illiberal is worse for social capital than being a paedophile in 2022.

Teesht · 08/04/2022 10:46

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StScholastica · 08/04/2022 10:47

@Georgyporky

Simple answer is DON'T GO.
No! That is not a simple answer. Simple answer is prosecute the perverts for indecent exposure.
MatthewJTaylor · 08/04/2022 10:48

[quote Teesht]I've emailed everyone I can think of - posting again should anyone else want to join me!

E-mail the papers to make some noise: [email protected]
More contact details here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/contact-us/

Tabloids: [email protected]
[email protected]

E-mail the MP for that area:
[email protected]

The NSPCC: [email protected]

E-mail the mayor: [email protected]

If you can find contact details for the board of trustees than that'd be great: tobaccofactorytheatres.com/our-trustees/[/quote]
Remember to make your displeasure known to these outlets.

Also, here are the contact details for Shoreditch Town Hall which is listed by This Egg as a supporter of the project.

[email protected]
020 7739 6176

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placemats · 08/04/2022 10:49

If the teachers in primary school got naked to show how puberty changes your body would those who say YABU be happy with this?

NotBadConsidering · 08/04/2022 10:50

Once this controversy hits the mainstream and becomes news, I’ll give it less than a week before Peter Tatchell comes out to defend it Hmm.

2fallsfromSSA · 08/04/2022 10:53

@Georgyporky

Simple answer is DON'T GO.
It's not quite as simple as that. It's every adults responsibility to safeguard children.
Artichokeleaves · 08/04/2022 10:54

Quite clear from the company's descriptions that this is about teaching RightThink, it isn't neutral. This is 'Nice People Think/Do This'. The prejudices against female rights are front and centre in the 'Terf' reference (nasty silly female people want privacy and dignity boys and girls... what do we say to traumatised, abused, homosexual and disabled women from minority cultures and faiths who don't put male people's feelings, freedoms and choices above their own? Booo! We don't want you in society!')

Don't be too convinced by 'good reviews'. A few days at any of the big theatre festivals and noting who wins awards will demonstrate the weird experimental and edgy shit gets awards for nothing more than being weird and edgy. Often it's bloody awful weird shit. Good reviews on those terms do not equate with quality.

It's also very common that there are very few children's shows reviewers so likely reviews come from adult show reviewers, and shows advertised as aimed at age ranges down to young children often don't incorporate anyone in the cast with any knowledge, experience or qualification to be providing for that age group, or mean that the company and writer have the faintest idea of what works for that age group. Plenty of shows advertised as down to five with unsuitable (often scary, boring or inaccessible) content because it was a random decision rather than an informed one.

Toseland · 08/04/2022 10:56

I’ve not had a chance to read the whole thread but why have they chosen the age 5+ ? This seems really odd to me. What is in the show that under 5s shouldn’t see that a 5+ can see?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/04/2022 10:56

Thanks for the contacts @Teesht

2fallsfromSSA · 08/04/2022 11:00

@SouthernFashionista

Is anyone tweeting about this?
DrEmand SSA here

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1512077174706040850?s=20&t=ePmDSQKWm-3qEmNSaWzGxQ

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