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To think friend is spoilt and selfish

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 18:26

Am on a long holiday with a friend and really struggling with her behaviour and finding myself just closing down around her and not really wanting to engage much. Could do with some perspective as I know it could be spending so much time together amplifying things. Also, she has an injury which is stressing her out so I’ve been trying to let a lot of stuff go and telling myself it’s not really her, but still.

  • The main one is the way she speaks to service people. She needs to know absolutely everything about everything so takes up lots of their time even when they’re busy and stressed, she must have everything exactly her way or she complains; she gives of an aggressive and rude energy a lot of the time and then when they are rude back is flabbergasted and says how they’re really macho in this country / toxic masculinity etc. to be honest, I’ve felt embarrassed quite a lot. She sent back her cocktail for not tasting of lemon enough and refused to pay on a tiny island where they survive on tourism. She’s complained to the airline about their app. She complained about a salad for not having enough leaves. You get the picture. The other day, she was panicking so much in a shop as she thought she’d lost her phone that someone told her to relax. She seems to have zero ability to regulate her emotions and just spews them onto everyone else. I have had to remove myself from her quite a lot in order to not react in a way I don’t like and also just to relax. One of her main topics of conversation is the standard of service where we are eating or staying. Nothing ever feels good enough.
  • Constantly wants to upgrade everything and change plans to something even better. Anything I’ve planned, she criticises and wants to change. I’ve put my foot down a couple of times and said she can go elsewhere if she likes but I don’t want to spend any more time on admin or money and am happy with my choice. Other times I’ve let her plan our days as if I get stuck in I get a million questions that I have to ask the provider - ie can you send a picture of the car we will have, what’s the exact route etc. She refuses to get any buses or shuttles, everything must be private taxis - something I didn’t budget for but have been happy to go along with because of her injury etc. But both this and her insistence on separate hotel rooms (despite initially agreeing we’d share roughly half of the time) have made this holiday ridiculously expensive, much more than I had anticipated. At the same time, I can tell she’s resentful about having spent more time on admin than me, as she makes subtle digs about how so much time on her phone is making the injury worse. Often I don’t even know she’s doing it tho until she reports what she’s done. She must research all potential options, write them down and have a discussion whereas I’m happy to just go with the flow a bit more (and I would say I’m pretty type A compared to most people!)
  • her injury dominates most of our conversations - I understand she’s in pain, so will happily listen and ask questions etc, but the result is there seems little conversational space for me and I find it hard to get her to lighten up. I’ve suggested if she’s in so much pain perhaps she should just rest in one place and not go travelling with me to different areas and going on hikes etc but she keeps coming along, and then being moany and snappy
  • despite her emphasis on organisation she is frequently late at important points - ie making me wait for her to get a taxi for a flight, being half an hour late for check out with hotel etc and risking extra charges. I’ve not said anything and just been chilled. Then, if I’m scatty (I definitely can be) she gets super shirtt about it even tho it’s not affecting her (ie I thought I lost my passport then found it later on. I didn’t panic as it wasn’t the end of the world but she seemed really annoyed)
  • she mentioned I’d been quiet on this holiday yesterday and I was honest and said that I’d been trying to keep calm in order to calm her down, and that I found the way she spoke to me and also waiters etc difficult to be around but that I had not said anything as I hadn’t found the right moment - she had always seemed like she was just on the edge and I couldn’t handle any more aggression. She said she knew she did this but that I should take up more space and communicate more, and tell her when she’s being like that. I said I didn’t think it was my job to police her behaviour and just wanted to chill and enjoy my holiday to be honest, and my way is more introverted than hers. She said I’d been ‘cold’ and not sympathetic enough about her injury and that I had just closed down and that it was ‘odd’, and that I obviously didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle her being unwell. I think this is very unfair - it’s taken a lot of energy to just be around her and I’ve actively been very engaged in talking about her injury, offering solitions, agreeing it’s shit, letting things go etc. I am not however going to have massive amounts of sympathy for someone who acts in this way as I find it selfish. Also, I’ve been a carer for sick people before and have endless empathy usually. I have just found it hard to find any more for her. She also said I’d disengaged from the first day of the holiday when actually, I’d invited her to come with me on a big walk to get our bearings and to explore the city, she said she’d come later, and then backed out because of jet lag. I think she has felt rejected when we haven’t done things together; but she is often the one backing out. For instance the other night we were out for what could have been our one and only proper night in a month - we were just gearing up and getting in the mood when she stubs her toe, she says she feels faint and goes home, leaving me out alone.

She also said I’d assassinated her character and that mentioning her behaviour to waiters was unfair as it’s nothing to do with me.

I feel hurt she said I was cold and she’d found my behaviour odd. Also like she’s a massively entitled selfish brat and like I don’t really want to spend any more time with her. AIBU?

YABU - she’s fine, you’re being sensitive
YANBU - she’s spoilt, you’d feel annoyed too

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Throughabushbackwards · 29/03/2022 07:42

I'd say it sounds like you were on holiday with my mum except she's here with us at the minute! She gets like this when she feels out of control. Being in an airport or travelling in a foreign country sees her at her worst. She becomes rude, demanding and complains about everything.

It's happened our whole lives, but now that I'm an adult I don't tolerate it any more. I speak up about her behaviour and point out how rude she's being. Often she genuinely hasn't realised, she's explained to me afterwards that it's that it feels like she's in a state of internal panic about wanting everything to go well and having the trip meet expectations. It's hard work. If she was a friend I wouldn't have holidayed with her twice!! I think you need to put some firm boundaries in place and make your own plans for the rest of the trip.

picklemewalnuts · 29/03/2022 07:56

By the way, look up 'grey rock' for managing people like her. There's no point being reasonable, or waiting for a calm quiet time to confront/mention the situation. You'll just hit narcissistic rage. She'll be outraged that you're pushing back.

Doing grey rock is like camouflaging your independent thought. Going under the radar to get what you want, without giving her an angle to get involved. Don't feed the situation.

AllOfUsAreDead · 29/03/2022 08:18

[quote BigupPemberleyMassive]@sweetbellyhigh

The treating service staff like something on the bottom of her shoe surely didn't magically start abroad?[/quote]
It can and does all the time. These people are called racists. I know it makes zero sense, going to another country to be racist to them, but racists don't really have much of a brain anyway.

I agree with others op, I think she is faking her injury/injuries. It usually is the ones who harp on about it all the time that are exaggerating it. If she hasn't even had a scan done yet, then it's not that bloody bad. She's tweaked a muscle and is now 'dying' in her mind.

SleeplessInEngland · 29/03/2022 08:25

I’d die of embarrassment sharing a table with someone being rude to servers and would have nipped that in the bud straight away. If it kept happening I’d simply say “you’re eating on your own.”

stripeyflowers · 29/03/2022 09:05

Seriously, if at in the realms of possibility, I would come home and never make the mistake of holidaying with her again.

RockinHorseShit · 29/03/2022 09:16

I git about 1/4 through your post & even I wanted to tell her to fuck off

She's vile, injury is not an excuse, many of us live with chronic pain & do not see it as an excuse to be a vile attention seeking bitch & treat others badly

I'd be either calling her out every time she's a bitch to staff etc

From a similar experience with a once close friend, you can't bite your lip,& ignore as once you've seen their alter ego, there is no going back. I bit my lip & regretted it, so just spit it out & get it off your chest.

sweetbellyhigh · 29/03/2022 09:22

I got about 1/4 through your post & even I wanted to tell her to fuck off

🤣

HollowTalk · 29/03/2022 10:35

Thank god you've got separate rooms! Is she taking pain relief for her injuries?

cstaff · 29/03/2022 10:44

I think there is a huge difference between going for a night out with someone to spending 2 or 3 weeks 24/7 with them. This is when you see the real side of your "friend" as there is no escaping them.

I went away with a friend about 15 years ago and I did see a completely different side to her that I had never seen before. Everything she said went. I put up with it for an easy life and because it was just a week but I have never been away with her since and never will.

SammyseesawNotts · 29/03/2022 12:37

@picklemewalnuts do you know, I think I’ve been doing grey rock a lot actually. That’s how I’ve survived without flying into a rage myself. I just quietly ignore and disengage, don’t feed it etc. The energy she gives out is repellant and I have to be honest quite a few times on this holiday just thanked my lucky stars I’m not her as it doesn’t look like a fun experience. Then skipped off to do some horse riding or hiking while she goes to another ‘healer’

To the person who asked if she’s on pain relief, yes - although again she googled them and stopped for a bit.

She was a lot more normal yesterday, she has taken a little bit of Xanax on the doctors recommendation. But she’s stopping today as she says they’re addictive. Ffs. Won’t be seeing her till mid afternoon when we have a flight.

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SammyseesawNotts · 29/03/2022 12:50

@AllOfUsAreDead that’s an interesting theory re racism. I’m not sure tbh - could be a bit. She hasn’t mentioned anything overt but when we were on the Caribbean coast we went to a very Rastafarian bit. I loved it but she looked distinctly uncomfortable and frightened when we had a funny man tell us his patties were the best lol. She also left early to get a taxi to a bloody posh restaurant down the coast that did avocado on toast lol, while I stayed on in a cute bar covered in Bob Marley posters and for some jerk chicken haha. Ironically she then texted me to say the service was shit where she’d gone and she’d left without eating lol

She also kept complaining about the reggae and reggaeton music - on the Caribbean coast!! Not sure that’s racist but it was bloody annoying. I love it and wanted to go to bars that played it, whereas her favourite music is the Muzak they play in bad restaurants — like covers of popular songs in panpipes that make me want to vom?!

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SammyseesawNotts · 29/03/2022 12:54

Oh and also we bought hats from a shop, and as we were walking past again the lady tried to call us in to ask us something — my friend was horribly rude to her, said she needed to go to the toilet and couldn’t stop in such an aggressive way that the ladies face just dropped. I then told her that was very rude and said ‘yes her face did drop didn’t it, but I just need the toilet and it’s so hot and my back hurts’ etc etc — ugh

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picklemewalnuts · 29/03/2022 13:00

You're right, it's no fun to be her. She'll have no insight to her own behaviour, why her life is stressful, why people avoid her.
Her various pains and injuries will be real, as will the anxiety she has about medication.
Disappointment and stress can lead to physical symptoms. It's not 'all in the mind', but it is probably related to the kind of person she is. I could never understand DM's constant list of ailments, but I've since been diagnosed with fibromyalgia and essentially get pain when life goes pear shaped! I used to get one injury after another, for no good reason. Now I know better how to avoid the triggers that cause my body to spasm if I overdo it. My brain basically sends a 'slow down, you're overdoing it' message in the form of tennis elbow, or a rotator cuff issue. Unfortunately you need insight to address it!

SammyseesawNotts · 29/03/2022 13:12

Yes @picklemewalnuts I think that’s it with her - it’s neck pain, and down the arms, muscular - and an osteopath yesterday said he didn’t think there would be anything on her MRI scan and that she would be diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Funnily enough when I have mentioned that stress seems to be affecting it and suggested just taking enough painkillers / muscle relaxants for five days to forget the pain and give her body a chance to rest, as pharmacist AND doctor have said to do, she gets very defensive and says it’s not stress (even tho other times she says it is) and Googles stuff and then only takes them for one day etc. There’s no consistency at all.

Going off on a tangent here but yes I think it’s that, mental anguish manifesting physically and even tho she knows she’s stressed (why she got adhd diagnosis recently) I don’t think she can see the true root of her issues - which in my opinion is an utterly relentless focus on self and no empathy for others at all. If I were a doctor I’d get her to volunteer or something - anything to help her get out of her head and help her feel connected to other people on an equal level. Her behaviour feeds peoples reactions to her as well, which must make her feel shit on some level.

Sorry you’ve had pain too but that’s great you know your triggers. I think sometimes then can be useful wake up calls… I had a big health issue years ago because of stress and I get twangs of pain if I’m over doing it. It’s helped me manage my energy much better.

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sonjadog · 29/03/2022 13:19

I would say her plan not to come with you to the city was meant as a test to see if you would beg her to come. She sounds very insecure, which is probably also why she has been tagging along with you rather than off doing her own thing. I think it isn't worth it now to have a big falling out and walking away from her when you are leaving in a few days. I would just try to make the most of it, get the space you can, and then avoid her when you get home again.

SammyseesawNotts · 29/03/2022 13:23

Yes @sonjadog, she probably did feel insecure as she’s said a few times towards the end of this hol that she doesn’t want to spend the last bit on her own (which was the original plan) and will miss me and I’ve just been quiet and said she’ll be fine; it’s only a few days difference etc. So not exactly showering her with love back.

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zingally · 29/03/2022 13:24

Based purely on your side of the story (I'd love to read hers!), you sound like you've got the patience of a saint!

I realise it's virtually impossible to dump someone you're on holiday with. Especially when things have already been paid for.

But heed the lesson, never again will you go on holiday with this woman!

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