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AIBU?

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To think friend is spoilt and selfish

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 18:26

Am on a long holiday with a friend and really struggling with her behaviour and finding myself just closing down around her and not really wanting to engage much. Could do with some perspective as I know it could be spending so much time together amplifying things. Also, she has an injury which is stressing her out so I’ve been trying to let a lot of stuff go and telling myself it’s not really her, but still.

  • The main one is the way she speaks to service people. She needs to know absolutely everything about everything so takes up lots of their time even when they’re busy and stressed, she must have everything exactly her way or she complains; she gives of an aggressive and rude energy a lot of the time and then when they are rude back is flabbergasted and says how they’re really macho in this country / toxic masculinity etc. to be honest, I’ve felt embarrassed quite a lot. She sent back her cocktail for not tasting of lemon enough and refused to pay on a tiny island where they survive on tourism. She’s complained to the airline about their app. She complained about a salad for not having enough leaves. You get the picture. The other day, she was panicking so much in a shop as she thought she’d lost her phone that someone told her to relax. She seems to have zero ability to regulate her emotions and just spews them onto everyone else. I have had to remove myself from her quite a lot in order to not react in a way I don’t like and also just to relax. One of her main topics of conversation is the standard of service where we are eating or staying. Nothing ever feels good enough.
  • Constantly wants to upgrade everything and change plans to something even better. Anything I’ve planned, she criticises and wants to change. I’ve put my foot down a couple of times and said she can go elsewhere if she likes but I don’t want to spend any more time on admin or money and am happy with my choice. Other times I’ve let her plan our days as if I get stuck in I get a million questions that I have to ask the provider - ie can you send a picture of the car we will have, what’s the exact route etc. She refuses to get any buses or shuttles, everything must be private taxis - something I didn’t budget for but have been happy to go along with because of her injury etc. But both this and her insistence on separate hotel rooms (despite initially agreeing we’d share roughly half of the time) have made this holiday ridiculously expensive, much more than I had anticipated. At the same time, I can tell she’s resentful about having spent more time on admin than me, as she makes subtle digs about how so much time on her phone is making the injury worse. Often I don’t even know she’s doing it tho until she reports what she’s done. She must research all potential options, write them down and have a discussion whereas I’m happy to just go with the flow a bit more (and I would say I’m pretty type A compared to most people!)
  • her injury dominates most of our conversations - I understand she’s in pain, so will happily listen and ask questions etc, but the result is there seems little conversational space for me and I find it hard to get her to lighten up. I’ve suggested if she’s in so much pain perhaps she should just rest in one place and not go travelling with me to different areas and going on hikes etc but she keeps coming along, and then being moany and snappy
  • despite her emphasis on organisation she is frequently late at important points - ie making me wait for her to get a taxi for a flight, being half an hour late for check out with hotel etc and risking extra charges. I’ve not said anything and just been chilled. Then, if I’m scatty (I definitely can be) she gets super shirtt about it even tho it’s not affecting her (ie I thought I lost my passport then found it later on. I didn’t panic as it wasn’t the end of the world but she seemed really annoyed)
  • she mentioned I’d been quiet on this holiday yesterday and I was honest and said that I’d been trying to keep calm in order to calm her down, and that I found the way she spoke to me and also waiters etc difficult to be around but that I had not said anything as I hadn’t found the right moment - she had always seemed like she was just on the edge and I couldn’t handle any more aggression. She said she knew she did this but that I should take up more space and communicate more, and tell her when she’s being like that. I said I didn’t think it was my job to police her behaviour and just wanted to chill and enjoy my holiday to be honest, and my way is more introverted than hers. She said I’d been ‘cold’ and not sympathetic enough about her injury and that I had just closed down and that it was ‘odd’, and that I obviously didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle her being unwell. I think this is very unfair - it’s taken a lot of energy to just be around her and I’ve actively been very engaged in talking about her injury, offering solitions, agreeing it’s shit, letting things go etc. I am not however going to have massive amounts of sympathy for someone who acts in this way as I find it selfish. Also, I’ve been a carer for sick people before and have endless empathy usually. I have just found it hard to find any more for her. She also said I’d disengaged from the first day of the holiday when actually, I’d invited her to come with me on a big walk to get our bearings and to explore the city, she said she’d come later, and then backed out because of jet lag. I think she has felt rejected when we haven’t done things together; but she is often the one backing out. For instance the other night we were out for what could have been our one and only proper night in a month - we were just gearing up and getting in the mood when she stubs her toe, she says she feels faint and goes home, leaving me out alone.

She also said I’d assassinated her character and that mentioning her behaviour to waiters was unfair as it’s nothing to do with me.

I feel hurt she said I was cold and she’d found my behaviour odd. Also like she’s a massively entitled selfish brat and like I don’t really want to spend any more time with her. AIBU?

YABU - she’s fine, you’re being sensitive
YANBU - she’s spoilt, you’d feel annoyed too

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dworky · 28/03/2022 19:34

She sounds as if she has extreme anxiety. Have you not recognised this before?

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2022 19:34

Are you on holiday with my mother? No one else will go with her! If so, just count the days, take a lot of deep breaths, and make sure you never get caught out again! At least you aren't related to her. Grin

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 19:39

@dworky she does get anxious. I knew this, but I didn’t realise she took it out on other people like this.

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 19:40

@picklemewalnuts ah I feel for you! Yes it is good we are not related :)

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Loopytiles · 28/03/2022 19:42

Anxiety doesn’t excuse rudeness to people working!

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 19:46

@Londonderry34 she does have other friends although she mentioned one of them refuses to eat out with her. She called her emotionally mature for not ‘speaking up for her needs’. She has not holidayed with a friend like this before - has always done solo.

She also mentioned a massive blow up with her sister who called her self absorbed and mentioned being upset that she had left her wedding very early in the afternoon as she was feeling depressed. Also a shorter holiday with a friend where friend flew out to India and then she wasn’t feeling well so couldn’t do much with her as she was feeling unwell. I guess this is a bit of a trend I didn’t know about. It makes everything revolve around her. Although I do believe she is genuinely in pain.

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 19:50

@Londonderry34 that was meant to read emotionally immature, not mature

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SarahProblem · 28/03/2022 19:56

She sounds absolutely awful and exhausting. I take it that you'll be reconsidering the friendship post holiday too?

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2022 19:58

I call it 'emotional incontinence'. She can't feel stressed or worried or unhappy without inflicting it on those around her. It seems to ease her, somehow- like she outsources her suffering. To add to the insult, she creates the situations that she finds so stressful.

She packs far too much, more than she can carry or keep track of. She then complains about how long it took to pack, how hard it is to manage, and how she can't possibly travel alone without help etc.
Or she books somewhere quite hard to get to, because 'why shouldn't she be able to go wherever she wants', and then gets angry because she does in fact find it hard and stressful to get there.

That's just my mum, of course, it may not be your friend at all! I would say though, that nothing you do will be enough so don't consider trying harder or doing more. She's a bottomless well of need.

sweetbellyhigh · 28/03/2022 19:59

On these threads where one person is not getting on with another I am usually very dubious about the OP's version of events.

But holy hell this woman is a nightmare!!! The rudeness, the criticisms, the neediness, it is verbal violence.

I have had two experiences of holiday if with a friend and being blindsided by their behaviour so I understand how it can happen that you imagine it is going to be great and it turns out to be miserable.

I would strongly encourage you to split from her if at all possible. This is terrible for your well-being and tbh it is terrible for her, someone needs to tell her no.

bellac11 · 28/03/2022 19:59

Come home OP!!!!

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 20:02

@picklemewalnuts god yes that sounds familiar. She was insistent that she was so stressed before holiday that we had to go straight to the beach to relax even though she’d rushed buying plane tickets (because she suddenly decided it needed to be done right NOW) that made getting to a beach very onerous. We essentially wasted two days getting to said beach area when we could have just gone the logical route literally everyone does (my preferred option) which is a volcano region with loads of natural spas etc. I said I think she’d find that relaxing enough but she wouldn’t listen. It’s shaped the whole route and meant we’ve had to do several day long journeys to get to places. Exhausting.

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Londonderry34 · 28/03/2022 20:04

But why do you need to carry this baggage for her?

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 20:04

God, writing this all down makes me realise how fucked off I am. I’ve been slightly in denial as I’ve just been trying to enjoy the holiday, and my version of putting boundaries down has been leaving her to her own devices and doing my own thing a fair bit. But Jesus. What a fucking nightmare. I want to go home but costs even more to change flights so just going to try and relax as much as possible.

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 20:05

@Londonderry34 how can I carry her baggage less? Very open to suggestions!

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Loopytiles · 28/03/2022 20:06

Understandable you’re pissed off!

Would avoid her as much as poss and do some nice things of your choice.

1forAll74 · 28/03/2022 20:06

Well, just see how she gets on being alone now,. you sound ultra independent, so leave her to moan alone now..

Femalewoman · 28/03/2022 20:07

People like that suck the life and soul out of everything around them. Dementors.

Ditch asap and never go anywhere with her again.

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 20:07

@SarahProblem absolutely.

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bellac11 · 28/03/2022 20:08

is it going to cost more to change your flights than you would spend on food, travel and sundries for the rest of the trip?

Seriously I wasnt joking!

Londonderry34 · 28/03/2022 20:09

Tell her how you feel?

bellac11 · 28/03/2022 20:10

@Londonderry34

Tell her how you feel?
I think OP has tried hasnt she and been accused of assassinating her character?
SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 20:12

@Londonderry34 I did (in a measured way). Hence her saying it was unfair and I was assassinating her character / I needed to ‘take up more space’ etc. I just can’t be bothered to argue back to that as feel exhausted by her now. In the moment I defended waiters, and also asked her to stop a couple of times when I can see she’s going to have a go.

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Chestnut23 · 28/03/2022 20:15

Sorry if I’ve missed this but has she had her injury seen to/x-rayed etc? Might be worth saying that it’s a good idea.

I think to keep your sanity and also enjoy the holiday you’ve paid so much for, could you say you’re really sorry but a bit more work has come in that you have to do, and just meet her for breakfasts and evening meals? Could your job include photography outside so if you do run into her you have a reason why? Sorry I can’t think of anything better! 😂

I had a friend like this - someone for many years I actually considered my best friend. It took one too many events similar to those named to make the scales fall from my eyes.

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