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To think friend is spoilt and selfish

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 18:26

Am on a long holiday with a friend and really struggling with her behaviour and finding myself just closing down around her and not really wanting to engage much. Could do with some perspective as I know it could be spending so much time together amplifying things. Also, she has an injury which is stressing her out so I’ve been trying to let a lot of stuff go and telling myself it’s not really her, but still.

  • The main one is the way she speaks to service people. She needs to know absolutely everything about everything so takes up lots of their time even when they’re busy and stressed, she must have everything exactly her way or she complains; she gives of an aggressive and rude energy a lot of the time and then when they are rude back is flabbergasted and says how they’re really macho in this country / toxic masculinity etc. to be honest, I’ve felt embarrassed quite a lot. She sent back her cocktail for not tasting of lemon enough and refused to pay on a tiny island where they survive on tourism. She’s complained to the airline about their app. She complained about a salad for not having enough leaves. You get the picture. The other day, she was panicking so much in a shop as she thought she’d lost her phone that someone told her to relax. She seems to have zero ability to regulate her emotions and just spews them onto everyone else. I have had to remove myself from her quite a lot in order to not react in a way I don’t like and also just to relax. One of her main topics of conversation is the standard of service where we are eating or staying. Nothing ever feels good enough.
  • Constantly wants to upgrade everything and change plans to something even better. Anything I’ve planned, she criticises and wants to change. I’ve put my foot down a couple of times and said she can go elsewhere if she likes but I don’t want to spend any more time on admin or money and am happy with my choice. Other times I’ve let her plan our days as if I get stuck in I get a million questions that I have to ask the provider - ie can you send a picture of the car we will have, what’s the exact route etc. She refuses to get any buses or shuttles, everything must be private taxis - something I didn’t budget for but have been happy to go along with because of her injury etc. But both this and her insistence on separate hotel rooms (despite initially agreeing we’d share roughly half of the time) have made this holiday ridiculously expensive, much more than I had anticipated. At the same time, I can tell she’s resentful about having spent more time on admin than me, as she makes subtle digs about how so much time on her phone is making the injury worse. Often I don’t even know she’s doing it tho until she reports what she’s done. She must research all potential options, write them down and have a discussion whereas I’m happy to just go with the flow a bit more (and I would say I’m pretty type A compared to most people!)
  • her injury dominates most of our conversations - I understand she’s in pain, so will happily listen and ask questions etc, but the result is there seems little conversational space for me and I find it hard to get her to lighten up. I’ve suggested if she’s in so much pain perhaps she should just rest in one place and not go travelling with me to different areas and going on hikes etc but she keeps coming along, and then being moany and snappy
  • despite her emphasis on organisation she is frequently late at important points - ie making me wait for her to get a taxi for a flight, being half an hour late for check out with hotel etc and risking extra charges. I’ve not said anything and just been chilled. Then, if I’m scatty (I definitely can be) she gets super shirtt about it even tho it’s not affecting her (ie I thought I lost my passport then found it later on. I didn’t panic as it wasn’t the end of the world but she seemed really annoyed)
  • she mentioned I’d been quiet on this holiday yesterday and I was honest and said that I’d been trying to keep calm in order to calm her down, and that I found the way she spoke to me and also waiters etc difficult to be around but that I had not said anything as I hadn’t found the right moment - she had always seemed like she was just on the edge and I couldn’t handle any more aggression. She said she knew she did this but that I should take up more space and communicate more, and tell her when she’s being like that. I said I didn’t think it was my job to police her behaviour and just wanted to chill and enjoy my holiday to be honest, and my way is more introverted than hers. She said I’d been ‘cold’ and not sympathetic enough about her injury and that I had just closed down and that it was ‘odd’, and that I obviously didn’t have the emotional capacity to handle her being unwell. I think this is very unfair - it’s taken a lot of energy to just be around her and I’ve actively been very engaged in talking about her injury, offering solitions, agreeing it’s shit, letting things go etc. I am not however going to have massive amounts of sympathy for someone who acts in this way as I find it selfish. Also, I’ve been a carer for sick people before and have endless empathy usually. I have just found it hard to find any more for her. She also said I’d disengaged from the first day of the holiday when actually, I’d invited her to come with me on a big walk to get our bearings and to explore the city, she said she’d come later, and then backed out because of jet lag. I think she has felt rejected when we haven’t done things together; but she is often the one backing out. For instance the other night we were out for what could have been our one and only proper night in a month - we were just gearing up and getting in the mood when she stubs her toe, she says she feels faint and goes home, leaving me out alone.

She also said I’d assassinated her character and that mentioning her behaviour to waiters was unfair as it’s nothing to do with me.

I feel hurt she said I was cold and she’d found my behaviour odd. Also like she’s a massively entitled selfish brat and like I don’t really want to spend any more time with her. AIBU?

YABU - she’s fine, you’re being sensitive
YANBU - she’s spoilt, you’d feel annoyed too

OP posts:
SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 22:01

Wow, overwhelming response here. Thanks everyone. I definitely a bit more like my feelings are valid and I shouldn’t try to spare hers. Will def be rethinking this friendship when home!!!

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Changechangychange · 28/03/2022 22:05

She sounds like a really horrible person, anxiety or no anxiety (I know plenty of people wit anxiety and they are not cunts like this woman). I also had a housemate like this at uni, and she just used everyone around her as her punching bag. Including her parents, we used to hear her shouting down the phone at her mother. I basically moved out of the house and in with DH in about December to get away from her (was still paying rent, I didn't screw her over), and she spent the rest of the year bitching that I'd left her with nobody to shout at.

Ditch her and do the rest of the holiday solo. Honestly, just pack your bags and turn your phone off, and do a flit early in the morning before she gets up. It will like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders. If you tell her you're going in advance, she'll have another tantrum at you.

DrManhattan · 28/03/2022 22:08

Oh FFS what are you doing? Never go on holiday with this person again

DrManhattan · 28/03/2022 22:10

And BTW you are 'allowed' to be quiet. What the fuck does she think you are? The entertainment?

EishetChayil · 28/03/2022 22:13

Christ alive! Go home, woman.

Hawkins001 · 28/03/2022 22:17

After analysing the data, this point is odd, she expects you to

" and that I found the way she spoke to me and also waiters etc difficult to be around but that I had not said anything as I hadn’t found the right moment - she had always seemed like she was just on the edge and I couldn’t handle any more aggression. She said she knew she did this but that I should take up more space and communicate more, and tell her when she’s being like that. I said I didn’t think it was my job to police her behaviour"

then when you do she says

"She also said I’d assassinated her character and that mentioning her behaviour to waiters was unfair as it’s nothing to do with me."

it's like she says you do x then when you do, instead you should of some y. Etc

Thedogscollar · 28/03/2022 22:18

Hells bells OP I'm exhausted reading about her never mind holidaying with her.
I'd be home on the next plane.

firsttimemom99 · 28/03/2022 22:24

She sounds a lot like my narcissistic mother who is a literal ball of negativity in every way possible. Then when you mention politely that her behaviour is inappropriate or rude (she’s very similar when it comes to service people) she successfully gaslights you into thinking you’re too sensitive or simply being unreasonable. YANBU & by the sounds of it your friend is toxic and enjoys playing the victim archetype. Get away when you can i’d say. Hope you’re well though because it sounds draining as anything

UnsuitableHat · 28/03/2022 22:31

Wow, she sounds terrible, a bit narcissistic even. There’s nothing like going on holiday with someone to bring out your incompatibilities with them. Do what you can to make the rest of the hol bearable.

billy1966 · 28/03/2022 22:33

I went on holiday with someone very similar and it was also very stressful.

Fortunately it was for a week and it never happened again.

Same type of behaviour as described by people, constant complaints, wanting her needs met NOW, be it food, drink, travel, anything.
Exhausting.

Funny thing though, some years later I ran into her and we were having a chat and she mentioned how lovely our holiday had been🤔 so much nicer than one she had been on recently.
Apparently she went on a first holiday with a friend and mid meal the person excused themselves and simply never returned to the table.
When this person went back to the hotel, she found her travel companion had packed her bags and was gone.
Completely gone.
Blocked her on all SM.
Refused any futher contact.

She was telling me how ridiculous this person was.

I tried not to laugh, but the woman had clearly been driven mad and couldn't take any more.

OP,
Take all the space you need to get through the next few days and give her a wide berth when you return home.

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 22:41

@billy1966 thank you, so reassuring. Wow, I am in awe of the woman that left. I’m too bloody polite for my own good sometimes. The injury thing has muddled this as it’s been the ‘excuse’ but still, I admire that woman’s balls and am glad you only had to spend a week with your ex friend. This has been 3…..!!!

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SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 22:42

She’s just confirmed she’s not coming to the next city… she thinks the city will be ‘unpleasant’ so is extending her stay by the beach. Am so looking forward to that unpleasant city! There for two days, then couple of days somewhere else, then hoooome on Saturday. Yay!

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billy1966 · 28/03/2022 22:50

Like you I was seriously impressed by this woman I didn't know.

Like you, it was a three week trip.

That's a very long time with someone who can't be pleased.

We were in Italy for our trip, I can barely remember the trip, just her complaints, and it's 35 years ago!

Enjoy the peace of the next few days.

So much nicer to be on your own than be constantly biting your tongue.

Definitely go on a weekend away before you go on a big trip with someone again.

A hard lesson!

MrsIglesias · 28/03/2022 22:52

Sounds really hard and annoying. I would just focus on what you want from this holiday and work out how you can make it work and not leave with any regrets for either of you. She might also be subconsciously trying to sabotage it as she can tell you're getting impatient and she is probably aware she's bad company.

I have been in a similar situation and found it so hard.

Take some time and work out how YOU want to be on this holiday and how you want the rest of it to go. And make it happen. And maybe communicate lovingly some clear requests to her - peppered with validation as she sounds extremely insecure

If you rise above it and make an extra and completely unreasonable effort to be gracious and loving to her she may change and either way it will be amazing and you will be so proud of yourself and totally change your trip.

There are meditations for dealing with difficult people - i have found them very very useful!! There are lots but this might be a good place to start

As appreciate yourself for veing in a difficult situation and trying to deal with it in a loving way. This is all quite hard and advanced stuff - good luck!

Yespresh · 28/03/2022 22:55

My sil causes trouble. When anyone tries to speak to her about it, she cries. Thus turning herself into a victim.

PurpleTrilby · 28/03/2022 23:15

She's a self serving bitch of the lowest order. I recommend you fuck her off right now and enjoy the rest of your time away free from her bullshit. And stick to that when you get home. I've had 'friends' like that. The one who was determined we go on holiday so she could dominate every waking moment. And the one who has faked being chronically ill for years. Jack shit wrong when she wants to go to a party. Funny that. Leeching is what they are doing.

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 23:24

@MrsIglesias that’s funny, I’ve been doing loving kindness meditations and mentally wiping the slate clean every day to try and remain positive. I’ve also gone and done my own stuff and not let her bring me down for the first couple of weeks, which mostly worked? But I think maybe irked her? I do think on one level she feels ashamed which fuels the behaviour. And as she can see I’m not rising to it she’s not quite sure what to do.

I was pretty validating when we had the discussion as I know she is insecure. She seems to have gotten friendlier with service people and even dogs lol (I love street dogs and she thinks they’re too dirty to touch).

Bad news: she’s just said she’ll get on the same flight as me tomorrow (another plan change!). Have said I need to work in the next city tho.

@billy1966 god yeah three weeks is a long time isn’t it. We actually did a spa weekend before which was generally fine but to be fair she sat most of the spa out and laid in the room because of another injury so I guess that was maybe why!!

Glad you’ve recovered lol. I look forward to being 30 years shot of this experience.

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alexdgr8 · 28/03/2022 23:24

yep, i know someone like that. veers from domineering, disrespectful, shouty, selfish, to sudden tears if the former behaviour is challenged.

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 23:25

@alexdgr8 I suspected she’d do that hence not being bothered to confront earlier. Also waiting for a calm moment… but there wasn’t one lol

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alexdgr8 · 28/03/2022 23:29

but why do ou let her dominate you, OP.
it is so obvious.
she says she is not travelling to the next city with you, to rile you.
you fail to get annoyed. probably trying not to shew outward glee.
so she switches again: now she is going. and you are riled.
why not say that does not work for you. you'd rather travel alone, and that's what you are going to do.
don't keep deferring to her.
you are not responsible for her; you have no ties of intimacy or kinship.

SammyseesawNotts · 28/03/2022 23:30

@alexdgr8 I can’t really stop her from getting the flight but I’m staying in a different place… I will tell her I won’t be available tho, you’re right, should make that clear.

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MrsIglesias · 29/03/2022 00:35

[quote SammyseesawNotts]@MrsIglesias that’s funny, I’ve been doing loving kindness meditations and mentally wiping the slate clean every day to try and remain positive. I’ve also gone and done my own stuff and not let her bring me down for the first couple of weeks, which mostly worked? But I think maybe irked her? I do think on one level she feels ashamed which fuels the behaviour. And as she can see I’m not rising to it she’s not quite sure what to do.

I was pretty validating when we had the discussion as I know she is insecure. She seems to have gotten friendlier with service people and even dogs lol (I love street dogs and she thinks they’re too dirty to touch).

Bad news: she’s just said she’ll get on the same flight as me tomorrow (another plan change!). Have said I need to work in the next city tho.

@billy1966 god yeah three weeks is a long time isn’t it. We actually did a spa weekend before which was generally fine but to be fair she sat most of the spa out and laid in the room because of another injury so I guess that was maybe why!!

Glad you’ve recovered lol. I look forward to being 30 years shot of this experience.[/quote]
Ha!! Well done you. And im glad you didn't tell me to f off for recommending a meditation haha... Has it helped a bit? Also this is the first time anyone has ever replied to me on an MN thread AFAIK...! Sounds you are managing this very well. You never know -you may be giving her the nicest holiday she's ever had just by putting up with her shit even though she probably feels very unlovable right now. I can imagine feeling like that. I have been a carer a couple of times to very very grumpy people in pain who were unappreciative, self involved and quite horrible to be around. I tried sooo hard to be patient and remain calm and nice and felt like there was no point but I think in the end they both really appreciate it. And I was proud of myself and glad I'd made the effort (most of the time...). You've done a good thing. Take a break. Stay in touch and maybe give her some non vulnerable communication feedback on what she was like to hang out with sometimes!

Good luck - hope the next leg of the trip goes well OP :D

MrsIglesias · 29/03/2022 00:39

@billy1966

I went on holiday with someone very similar and it was also very stressful.

Fortunately it was for a week and it never happened again.

Same type of behaviour as described by people, constant complaints, wanting her needs met NOW, be it food, drink, travel, anything.
Exhausting.

Funny thing though, some years later I ran into her and we were having a chat and she mentioned how lovely our holiday had been🤔 so much nicer than one she had been on recently.
Apparently she went on a first holiday with a friend and mid meal the person excused themselves and simply never returned to the table.
When this person went back to the hotel, she found her travel companion had packed her bags and was gone.
Completely gone.
Blocked her on all SM.
Refused any futher contact.

She was telling me how ridiculous this person was.

I tried not to laugh, but the woman had clearly been driven mad and couldn't take any more.

OP,
Take all the space you need to get through the next few days and give her a wide berth when you return home.

I think that's a horrible thing to do imo. So she found her company unpleasant so ghosted her. I'd find that traumatic for the rest of my life. Aren't you glad you were nice to her instead and gave her a nice memory? I think u should be proud actually
WomanStanleyWoman · 29/03/2022 01:12

This sounds all too familiar! A now ex-friend of mine used to behave in so many of these ways.

Even when we were in our early twenties and counting every penny, she still wanted to get taxis everywhere because ‘What will people think if they see us getting off a bus?!’ We were invited to a party once and stopped off at Tesco for wine on the way - she wanted to hide the carrier bag before we got there so that the other guests would think we’d been somewhere more expensive. The waiting staff thing too - she wasn’t so much rude as utterly bemused if she couldn’t have exactly what she wanted. Even in Subway once (so not exactly The Ivy!) she asked three times for a bread type that they’d told her was sold out, because ‘that’s what I normally have’.

And as with your ‘friend’, holidays were the worst. The first time, she nagged me to go, then complained we could only afford to go off-peak (convinced we should be able to get a ‘little deal’ as she put it, but expected me to do all the work to find it). The second time she whinged constantly about there being too many old people at the hotel. I wised up before there could be a third time!

In the end enough was more than enough. I broke away from the friendship. People like that never change, so stop putting yourself through it. I did and have never regretted it.

MrsPetty · 29/03/2022 01:36

She sounds like an utter pain in the hole! We really get to know people on holiday. I went away with a work colleague many years ago - she seemed quite nice and normal enough over lunches etc. I struggled so much over those two weeks. She was so needy. I couldn’t do anything alone. She was really resentful when I went on a date with a lovely man that I met. We live and learn … I never traveled with anyone that I didn’t know really well after that trip!

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