to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

[BloodyloveGeorge]

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

Someone will decide it’s ok to mock wheelchair users next

@VladmirsPoutine

I knew this would the position most posters would take. I love it when white liberal women get sanctimonious. He's a danger to his wife! His kids! He's a role model! Put him on death's row!

I'm ashamed to say I was waiting to get home to log in to see this because I bet with my friend £50 this would be the tone of MN!

Have you read the thread?

I have and there doesn't seem to be a consensus between posters - there are a lot of different opinions. And I haven't seen anybody except for you calling for over the top punishments,

I wish the people announcing the winners had had the balls to announce a completely different actor. 😅

Does it affect your life or bank balance?

No… so why is everyone bothered ✌🏼

The Oscar should be given to the best actor, or it's meaningless.

"Best actor" is highly subjective. It's not like a race where it's obvious that someone is 0.17 seconds faster than the next guy. By what objective standard can you say that Will Smith was 'better' than Benedict Cumberbatch, for example?

It's well-known that people who are popular in Hollywood are more likely to get awards, and there's a certain type of film and theme which appeals to Academy voters. There's also a good deal of 'box ticking' these days. Then there's the fact that Hollywood is very much into cancel culture. Being "best" is very much a matter of opinion.

@LondonWolf

because I bet with my friend £50 this would be the tone of MN!

Sure you did

No we genuinely did. You don't have to but if you AS my username you'll see many a thread in which I talk about this kind of thing and when I saw the news this morning I knew exactly what tone most MN posters would take. She's a mumnetter as well so it's not beyond the realms of reason. I thought it was hilarious as it's the first thing I thought of. I logged in to Twitter to see many a white woman saying things like "My first hit was also because he was protecting me" even MP's who didn't give a shit about ChildQ or anything are denouncing Will Smith. What happened is the exact pathology of liberal white women's psychology. And I just eat that kind of thing up! I love it! Like when Jane Campion (?) Made that comment about the Williams sisters. This sort of thing is the butter to my bread!

@SmudgeRolls

He said something very horrible about his wifes medical condition that would be shown to the world

Chris Rock was out of order and deserved it

And Rebel Wilson?

She, to all intents and purposes, called Smith's wife a slag whilst hosting at the BAFTAs.

She'd have deserved it too, wouldn't she...

Does it affect your life or bank balance?
Speak for yourself, I just lost £50.

@Morfil

Does it affect your life or bank balance? Speak for yourself, I just lost £50.

😂😂😂😂😂

wait - is it toxic masculinity for a man that stood up to another who insulted his wife in public, or for not standing up for her? I know guys who don't stick up for their partners (my dad as one example), and I'm sorry but I would rather they did. I respect Will a lot more for doing that personally and I would respect a man who did that for me. Having said that I hate "tough guy types" but they should at least WANT to defend their partner.

[quote EmpressCixi]@5zeds
Yes. Agree such bantz was far from benign and was clearly verbal abuse. Chris Rock should never have been allowed to say that GI Jane “joke” about Jada Pinkett. It was pure misogyny. But of course, let’s condemn the man who defended her but happened to go over the top in the heat of the moment and not focus on the rampant misogyny he was defending her against. It’s almost like people think what Chris Rock said was perfectly ok or even funny on some level. It was public abuse of a woman for her medical condition and her sexuality.[/quote]

This a million times!

As a 50 year old woman with autoimmune disorders that regularly make my hair fall out completely, my partner has seen me battle on, cry, refuse to go out, try nonsense cures and god knows what else. He's a mild mannered bloke but if someone took the piss out of my hairloss on global media he might get the rage.

Hairloss isn't funny. Chris Rock is an idiot. Will Smith clearly over reacted but I get how this would have affected his wife. Some days I can't even look in the mirror.

I agree with the posters above saying if the Academy start down this road they can't start with Smith. It was sad to see. He's one of my favourite actors. I also think those comedy presenters are vile. Gervais was so goady, and this was the same. Smith gave such a heart felt apology for his behaviour and I think as a society we should be able to accept true apologies that fit the crime, as I feel this does. Smith doesn't have form for abuse. And if this was the school playground Rock would be expected to apologise for his behaviour, I'm waiting for that. The Academy should take responsibility for the content of future emcees.

I know guys who don't stick up for their partners (my dad as one example), and I'm sorry but I would rather they did. I respect Will a lot more for doing that personally and I would respect a man who did that for me. Having said that I hate "tough guy types" but they should at least WANT to defend their partner.*

What makes you think you can't stand up for someone without resorting to violence?

Im not sure. What he did was disgraceful and he should have been asked to leave. The whole thing is hypocritical, eg he was able to stay and be given the award and applauded for it

But I haven't seen the film and I'd like to see it. If he deserved the award for his acting then this doesn't change things. Any criminal charges will affect his future career.

Violence is not ‘sticking up for’ anyone.

No.

.Smith gave such a heart felt apology for his behaviour....

He'd just won an award for being one of the world's best actors

@xfgdhfgnhkk007

wait - is it toxic masculinity for a man that stood up to another who insulted his wife in public, or for not standing up for her? I know guys who don't stick up for their partners (my dad as one example), and I'm sorry but I would rather they did. I respect Will a lot more for doing that personally and I would respect a man who did that for me. Having said that I hate "tough guy types" but they should at least WANT to defend their partner.

I'm sure she was perfectly capable of going up there and smacking Rock in the face herself, wasn't she?

Or do you think that being violent is men's work and that's why you applaud it?

Can you really not see the problem here?

That idiot Rock deserved a slap

No we genuinely did. You don't have to but if you AS my username you'll see many a thread in which I talk about this kind of thing

I don't need to. I recognised you and your yet more bitching about "liberal white women". I always wonder why you post here when you seem to despise MN and it's main cohort of white women as you do. Reading your last post though I can see you're really getting something out of it so I have my answer I guess. Still don't believe £50 is going to be changing hands though

@SaxendaSummer

He didn't defend his wife

He laughed along with everyone.... then apparently thought different and became a violent thug

Yes that's my view as well.

And as for that ridiculous speech claiming love made him do it, and that he's doing God's work through his acting, what a pile of navel gazing pompous bollocks. Utterly pukesome.

Shame on the Academy I say. Stars waiting to be abused by a comic at every Oscar ceremony? Just because they want higher viewing figures? What the hell has that got to do with the art, the performances, the hard graft that’s dedicated to films etc? Yes, they’re rich & famous but why the hell does that give the producers carte Blanche to set people up to be verbally abused in this way?

It’s wrong on so many levels. The result is what happened yesterday, all victims to some degree of the media machine.

Hopefully they’ll re-think their Victorian bear baiting approach because it’s fucking repulsive. Stars are people too, with lives to live beyond the camera. They are also like everyone else; vulnerable & with individual crosses to bear. Fame & fortune doesn’t shield them from abuse; they are victims here of carefully devised abuse. Horrid

I like Will Smith and I still like him after defended his wife from a verbal assault from a man, who should have known better.

@OppsUpsSide

No, he slapped another equally matched male for making a joke at the expense of his wife 🤷🏻‍♀️

If the woman concerned who was at the butt of the joke had gone up to the “ Comedian” and slapped him, I think it would have been different.

If I was her , I’d be really embarrassed by my husband making an embarrassment of himself in that manner, as it would imply I wasn’t capable of sticking up for myself.

I didn’t understand the joke at first, and thought GI Jane was a complement!

It was only when I googled I realised it was a reference to alopecia.

Not funny.