to think Will Smith should be stripped of his Oscar?

[BloodyloveGeorge]

The Academy is supposed to have a code of conduct ( post Weinstein) so can take his Oscar away.
Given that this was a blatant assault, and a clear case of toxic masculinity at it's worst, he should lose his Oscar. He's not a role model, his behaviour isn't something that should be celebrated. There should be consequences for this example of violence.
Even a 6 year old knows you can't punch someone because they say something you don't like.

*Poor Jada.

2 d**heads. 1 making a joke about her health condition, and her own husband then making it all about him and his precious feelings.

I didn't see anyone asking her if she was alright.*

^This.

I think it was a stupid remark, and her husband's response was even stupider. She is beautiful regardless. But baldness for many men is a very sore subject. In what world did he think that was funny?

Sounds like another way to get a brown man stripped from something he rightly deserved. Pathetic.

Plus the whole thing looked staged.

@RhymesWithBouquet

As for all of you whose first reaction is "thug" ask yourselves why that word was your go to and why you're so hot for this black guy to lose his Oscar but think that the aforementioned pre-2017 perps and pervs should keep theirs because, timing.... you're outing yourselves beautifully, please tell us more Karens.

For those of you saying Chris Rock "didn't know she had alopecia" well that's all the more reason for him to keep his gob shut. Her struggle with alopecia is well documented. If he didn't know that then for all he knew, she might have lost it due to chemo, making joking about it all the more crass.

The fact that as black man who made a documentary on the subject dammit he should know you don't comment on what a black woman does with what is or isn't on her head makes him look even worse.

So no, Will, shouldn't have hit CR, that was out of order but if they try to take the Oscar from him on that basis, they'd better be ready to take back the awards from everybody mentioned in @babywalker56's post too or the #OscarsSoWhite will be back to stay - no amount of PR or damage control or future black nominees / winners will erase it.

This sums up MN to a tee.

He laughed, then saw Jada was mad and flipped. I think she's abusive/controlling. She's publically humiliated him alot of times. I think we saw a mentally drained man unraveling.

@Bippitybopityboo

He laughed, then saw Jada was mad and flipped. I think she's abusive/controlling. She's publically humiliated him alot of times. I think we saw a mentally drained man unraveling.

It was the woman's fault a man hit a man

Sounds pretty woke to me. Absolutely no reason to strip him of the Oscar. It isn’t a morality award!

Yes, i know its an unpopular / alien idea on mumsnet that a man can be abused too. Shes publically humiliated him time after time, he snapped and did what he felt he had to do to appease her, in my opinion.

I don't think he should be stripped from his Oscar. Or if he is then the code of conduct needs to be better defined. Roman Polanski got a standing ovation when he last won.
He won in 2002 and the Code of Conduct was introduced in 2017 (and was not retroactive).

I would be delighted to see the awards revoked for various previous winners. What Smith did is nowhere near the level of some of the abuses of previous winners, but now that there is a code of conduct, I don’t have any issue with him being held accountable under it (if he is deemed to have breached it).

For those trying to suggest that the reason people want to see Smith lose his Oscar is due to racism - it’d be just as easy to make the accusation that you are minimizing his violence because the victim was a black man.

@100problems

Smith wins in every way. He’s trousered the fee for his Oscar role, he’s won a whole new fan base for being a proper dude (47% of this forum that have voted agree), and whether the Oscar gets stripped or not he won it.

He will be on every chat shows “must have” list and the films producers just got a bump in ticket sales, of which Smith will likely have cut a %.

This is where you are wrong I voted YABU as the question was do you think he should be striped of his Oscar not do you think he’s a dude. I don’t think he’s a dude for hitting Rock. I think his reaction was wrong however, he shouldn’t be striped of his Oscar. Like previous posters have said problematic white dudes have rooms full of Oscar’s but you have the OP say yeah but being convicted is not enough proof. The code of conduct coming in, in 2018 is a red herring if the academy wanted to strip those problematic white dudes of their Oscar’s they could do that.

@Blossomtoes

Then you don’t understand what empathy is. I’m sorry, but you don’t

I’m sorry but I do. And they call me a bleeding heart liberal …

Some of the worst racists I’ve come across identify as a bleeding heart liberal…

Haven’t rtft but I think his Oscar is tainted now to the extent that he’ll never think of it without remembering that moment and nor will anyone else.

@BloodyloveGeorge I must have missed your thread regarding Casey Affleck and other abusers. Why Will Smith has you triggered so much I wonder.

He won in 2002 and the Code of Conduct was introduced in 2017 (and was not retroactive).

I meant those two things to be separate. As is what the academy and live audience thinks is ok and how it's purely based kn public opinion. 2002 child molestation was fine but 2017 public was upset about weinstein so they decided to change rules.

Everyone commenting about Weinstein and Polanski etc are missing the point:

1. I’m sure everyone would be DELIGHTED if they had to give their awards back!!!!
2. the time frame is different. It’s to do with the conduct rules introduced by the Oscars in 2017. I’m sure if Troy Kotsur rapes someone this year, people will also be clamouring for him to return his Oscar. I don’t think returning it does much but he should have been thrown out for violence. Like someone would at a restaurant or a nightclub or a work party - it’s so odd he wasn’t.
3. you can’t just allow someone off the hook because other people have been in the past. We know better now, we are supposed to be learning and evolving.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNm28b_2I4

He’s got form for slapping

Everyone commenting about Weinstein and Polanski etc are missing the point

No, I think it's easy to understand the point you make that conduct rules have just recently been introduced.

I personally still think it would be ridiculous if they take away Will Smith's Oscar without removing anyone else's, especially since he hasn't been charged with a crime, unlike Polanski and Weinstein. It does at least appear to be a little convenient for the powers that be that they do it to a black man as well. Op got a bit incredulous when that was mentioned originally, but to at least a few people on here, it doesn't look good at the very least (and that's being generous).

I keep thinking about the poster who said her 12 yo son had recently been disciplined at school for hitting a child who had been bullying him for months. He was upset that a celebrity could do it without reprisal.

This is the thing for me, we constantly tell our children you don’t respond with violence, you can’t hit someone who says something you don’t like, and no one should do that to you either. Also you don’t say mean things or make fun of anyone’s appearance or condition/disability.

Yet here are two of the most famous men in the world doing exactly what they like and getting away with it (so far).

I’ve read a lot about whether it’s staged but if it is that is even worse.

All the talk yesterday was about these entitled pricks instead of the fantastic win for CODA.

Depressing.

I am confused by something.

I thought the presenters lines and “jokes” were all scripted and that they read off and autocue.

So, when Rebel Wilson was telling awful jokes and was cringe-worthy at the BAFTAS - I remember saying to DH “Well, someone else wrote this so it’s not really her fault the jokes are falling flat” (although her delivery didn’t help)

Did I get this wrong, and it’s actually their material?

*an autocue

You don’t hit someone unless it’s in self defence, so I don’t see how he’s got away with it.
He should have been told to leave the building immediately.

@colourmebladd, it clearly was a shitty example to set children (by both of them).

But, I've been that child who was badly bullied at school and finally snapped and hit my bully. Yes, I was disciplined and rightly so! So I can understand that boy's frustration.

However, children at school are punished by the school for all sorts of meaningless shit. Refusing to tie up your hair or wearing earphones for example. The two things aren't directly comparable.

@100problems

Smith wins in every way. He’s trousered the fee for his Oscar role, he’s won a whole new fan base for being a proper dude (47% of this forum that have voted agree), and whether the Oscar gets stripped or not he won it.

He will be on every chat shows “must have” list and the films producers just got a bump in ticket sales, of which Smith will likely have cut a %.

If you are talking about this thread you are talking rubbish

47% of posters on this thread have not said he is a proper dude at all in the slightest

@BloodyloveGeorge

'Unlikely given that the Academy allows people like Woody Allen and Roman Polanski to be nominated and win.'

Even more reason for them to start changing the narrative. And repugnant as I find both of those 2 men their guilt isn't as clear cut, unfortunately.

Roman Polanski pleaded guilty to drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old girl at a party. There is no doubt about his guilt.

@SonicBroom

Haven’t rtft but I think his Oscar is tainted now to the extent that he’ll never think of it without remembering that moment and nor will anyone else.

I agree

It was a cruel taunt. Everyone was laughing including Will Smith.
I couldn't watch the BAFTAs because Rebel Wilson was so crude.
Standards of behaviour and good manners have really fallen so an assault was bound to happen sooner or later.