Page 32 | Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscars - where do you stand?

Jaggerdagger · 2022-03-28T06:28:13+00:00

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-60898250]] I'm a bit on the fence at the moment but shocked from watching this - wondered what others think? YABU Will Smith had every right to wallop Chris. His wife was clearly deeply insulted. He deserved it. YANBU Chris was just reading from a script and didn't deserve such a public assault.

ExcuseeeeMe · 01/04/2022 07:12

Showing kids that you should smack someone if you don’t like what they say. Will Smith is a disgrace .

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 08:06

@southeastdweller

He didn't know he'd won, didn't know he'd be making an acceptance speech. Hindsight is so powerful.

For months the arsehole had been the favourite to win. Of course he knew he was going to make a speech.

2 times, for months on end WS was billed to win an Oscar, and he did not.

The same has happened to Denzel and possibly Leonardo.

Quite a few people have been snubbed at the Oscars, after winning every award going during that particular season.

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 08:15

@EV117

The whole things is just too cringeworthy to be real. Which makes me quite happy that it happened. Whenever I fuck up or embarrass myself I can think ‘well at least I didn’t slap Chris Rock on stage in a completely over the top temper tantrum at the Oscars in front of millions of people and turn what should have been a career highlight for me into an almighty awkward shit show that no one can stop talking about…’

I think more accurately you should think ' well at least I'm not a black man whom everyone made such a big deal, like Ihe killed someone like when he punched Chris Rock'.

Because we had Adrien Brody sexually assault a Halle Berry on stage, in front of millions, did not turn the highlight of his career into an almighty shitshow, no one bat an eyelid. She had to stand there, smile and everyone laughed, he was not kicked out, got applauded, no oscars taken away, no punishment whatsoever. People were surprised, but probably did not discuss it much the next day. Most certainly they were not 'traumatised' or 'disgusted' or anything.

The same when middle aged Jim Carrey did the same to young Alicia Silverstone.

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 08:16

sorry, fast typing results in spell/dramatical mistakes.

ancientgran · 01/04/2022 08:46

Because we had Adrien Brody sexually assault a Halle Berry on stage, in front of millions, did not turn the highlight of his career into an almighty shitshow, no one bat an eyelid. She had to stand there, smile and everyone laughed, he was not kicked out, got applauded, no oscars taken away, no punishment whatsoever. People were surprised, but probably did not discuss it much the next day. Most certainly they were not 'traumatised' or 'disgusted' or anything.

And she said later that she was upset but was so shocked she "just went along with it" which is a bit like WS laughing initially but then he reacted.

Jim Carrey has got alot of nerve to get involved in this as his behaviour to a teenage Alicia Silverstone was very unpleasant and was as much an assault as a slap would have been.

TheDoveFromAboveCooCoo · 01/04/2022 10:57

He would have had much more of an impact by taking the mic and saying aomethign supportive of his wife and making Chris rock look like a dick.

Instead he turned into typical alpha male and twatted him. So now he looks like a dick.

It was unacceptable and aggressive behaviour.

AryaStarkWolf · 01/04/2022 11:10

@AlternativePerspective

The more I read about this the more I am convinced it was staged.

Why? For who's benefit, certainly not Will Smith's. Why on Earth would he agree to something that had such a huge risk of blowing not only the biggest night of his career but his golden boy reputation as well? And what benefit would it have for Chris Rock? Why would he want to be slapped in front of millions of people across the world?

ENoeuf · 01/04/2022 23:41

I watched a clip where CR talked about his diagnosis of NVLD which was interesting as I don’t think the UK recognises it. He said a friend thought he had Aspergers and then they assessed him and diagnosed this. Basically he doesn’t ‘get’ body language.

Phlem · 02/04/2022 08:31

@ENoeuf

I watched a clip where CR talked about his diagnosis of NVLD which was interesting as I don’t think the UK recognises it. He said a friend thought he had Aspergers and then they assessed him and diagnosed this. Basically he doesn’t ‘get’ body language.

I would imagine he got the message that Will Smith was pretty angry at the Oscars

southeastdweller · 02/04/2022 08:34

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60963054

So all you people who've excused and minimised what he did, do you still believe that?

SirChenjins · 02/04/2022 09:03

Oh my. And so he should - appalling behaviour from WS. Hopefully the Academy will also now take a long hard look at themselves - they’ve tolerated far too many instances of hideous behaviour from the slebs.

ancientgran · 02/04/2022 09:30

@SirChenjins

Oh my. And so he should - appalling behaviour from WS. Hopefully the Academy will also now take a long hard look at themselves - they’ve tolerated far too many instances of hideous behaviour from the slebs.

Yes they've tolerated alot from white slebs.

southeastdweller · 02/04/2022 09:33

Yes they've tolerated alot from white slebs

Indeed. But that was before the code of conduct.

HRTQueen · 02/04/2022 11:23

So what if it was the code of conduct was out in place if they really wanted to take Oscars away they would find a way to do so

They don’t because many In Hollywood still support Roman Polanski they are just not so vocal about it and would question to why Woody Allen is taken away has never been charged.

When a child rapist can keep his Oscar then so should Will Smith if that changes then consider Will Smiths been taken away

HRTQueen · 02/04/2022 11:23

*not in place

ancientgran · 02/04/2022 11:50

@HRTQueen

So what if it was the code of conduct was out in place if they really wanted to take Oscars away they would find a way to do so

They don’t because many In Hollywood still support Roman Polanski they are just not so vocal about it and would question to why Woody Allen is taken away has never been charged.

When a child rapist can keep his Oscar then so should Will Smith if that changes then consider Will Smiths been taken away

As if people didn't realise child rape and sexually assaulting women were inappropriate before there was a code of conduct.

ancientgran · 02/04/2022 11:56

Look back at how Hattie McDaniel was treated when she won her Oscar, sitting at the back on a segregated table, not allowed to celebrate with the rest of the cast after the awards.

Maybe the Oscars have had their time.

HRTQueen · 02/04/2022 11:57

Well it was something that many could happily overlook if it improved their career

Not only overlook for their own career but were willing to speak out in support for

browneyes77 · 03/04/2022 08:24

@Merrymouse

The real question is what makes you so adamant that it wasn't a joke?

Because there is no wit or humour.

Similarly a story has a plot and a beginning and end. A storyteller in a story telling venue doesn’t tell a story just because they speak.

The idea Rock proposed was ‘you have no hair because you have alopecia and should therefore be in a film about a woman who shaved her head because she was a soldier’. It is an insult because it was designed to reduce the target to one feature, with the full knowledge that this feature has caused her distress.

People often laugh at insults, and they often laugh when they think it is polite and they have been given a cue. That doesn’t mean an insult suddenly becomes a joke.

Except the “because you have alopecia” bit you threw in there, is merely your own assumption and not proven fact.

Chris Rock would have to know she had alopecia, to know that saying this joke would cause her distress because of it. And thus far most reports have suggested he did not know.

Therefore it’s also quite possible and likely, that he only made the joke because he thought that was simply a new hair style she’d chosen.

Discountclaimed · 03/04/2022 08:46

As others have said, if they take his Oscar they can also take Harvey Weinstein’s and Roman Polanski’s etc.

Hitting is wrong but 1) he was sticking up for someone else 2) he gained no benefit 3) I believe his DV explanation- I know victim of DV who has got in trouble twice in his life- both times for protecting a younger family member at his own expense. It’s a firmly rooted instinct based in fear.

southeastdweller · 03/04/2022 09:18

His current projects have been put on ice by the film studios involved. I wonder if he’ll be soon be looking at working in TV.

Notbeinfunnehbut · 03/04/2022 10:40

I think the whole resignation from the Academy is just very OTT and perfomative had he simply been removed at the time by security, it would have sent a clearer better message

NoSquirrels · 03/04/2022 14:57

@southeastdweller

His current projects have been put on ice by the film studios involved. I wonder if he’ll be soon be looking at working in TV.

Well, one of them had lost its director a week before the Oscars so whilst it might be a contributing factor to rescheduling l/postponement it’s probably not the main reason. And everything else is just rumours.

However, I’d expect he’s more likely to be having a spell in rehab than TV. Nothing like a spell in the Priory or equivalent for an emotional and heartfelt comeback appearance on Oprah to revitalise your reputation…

Lweji · 04/04/2022 07:52

Did anyone notice that, earlier, the female presenters made a joke about the Smith's open marriage? They were looking for single men, discarded a married one, and then invited Will to the stage, as he was allowed.
I wonder if that was the joke that triggered them and led to the overreaction over the hair joke.
He did mention having to pretend to find all the jokes funny or something similar. I imagine that one struck a more sensitive nerve, and that Chris just happened to deliver the final blow.
Having said that, while this earlier joke was about behaviour, Chris' was about appearance, and, unless it's about yourself or obviously dumb (fake criticising someone who's had a baby for having gain weight), that's just not done. Not even by Gervais, that I recall.

Although, Will should have called him out on it with words, not a hand, obviously. Criticism of one doesn't justify physical violence.

Lbushsgkm · 04/04/2022 08:52

@Notbeinfunnehbut

I think the whole resignation from the Academy is just very OTT and perfomative had he simply been removed at the time by security, it would have sent a clearer better message

Apparently the organisers asked him to leave but he refused.