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Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscars - where do you stand?

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Jaggerdagger · 28/03/2022 07:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-60898250

I'm a bit on the fence at the moment but shocked from watching this - wondered what others think?

YABU Will Smith had every right to wallop Chris. His wife was clearly deeply insulted. He deserved it.
YANBU Chris was just reading from a script and didn't deserve such a public assault.

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Maldives2006 · 30/03/2022 19:05

@Pyewhacket woke means to be aware of social injustice nothing to do with Will Smith slapping Chris Rock

Gilead · 30/03/2022 19:18

I have alopecia, it’s well documented on here.
I haven’t seen Rock’s apology yet.

Merrymouse · 30/03/2022 19:30

@Gilead

I have alopecia, it’s well documented on here. I haven’t seen Rock’s apology yet.
I agree.

I do not think that Smith’s action should now imply that Rock’s cruelty is cancelled out.

I hope this tradition ends where insults are written of as entertainment, however unfunny, as long as it’s a ‘roast’.

CatsAreBoppinAroundToTheRadio · 30/03/2022 20:37

I agree with both of you, @Gilead and @Merrymouse.

I also have alopecia, this of course doesn't mean I'm all for violence to defend myself from abuse, but I'm baffled as to why Chris Rock hasn't apologised, or more so, why people in the media haven't focused on this also.

In my mind, violence isn't ok unless you are defending yourself from someone else's violence. So no, I don't think Will slapping Chris was the best reaction, but my feelings are that I can try to understand why Will did it.

I think a previous poster earlier on in this thread mentioned about teaching children to turn the other cheek, then eventually you might feel compelled to teach them to fight back when they keep getting beaten up and no one is doing anything about it.

Perhaps that's partly what led to Will's behaviour in that moment, a build up of bullying from Chris. Chris has a history of being unpleasant towards Jada and from what I have read, doesn't seem to have a great opinion of women, particularly black women in general.

People are saying GI Jane is a compliment, yes with Demi Moore and Jada both being beautiful women, absolutely I can see that. I don't think Chris was being complimentary though, I think he was needling Jada to get a rise-he's done it before.

In that moment Will felt an impulse to defend his wife. He went about it the wrong way but I can understand why he did it.

Chris Rock isn't someone that I know much about, but from what I've read, he does seem to have it in for Jada Pinkett.

This article in The Guardian below picks up on Chris's misogynistic impulses towards black women:

www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/mar/28/chris-rock-comedy-career-will-smith

'In I Think I Love My Wife, a reboot of a classic French film, Rock casted women as the root of all evil. And then of course he went on and made Good Hair, which does far more to put down Black women than uplift them.'

There's another interesting article, (apologies if it's already been mentioned) in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/29/white-outrage-about-will-smiths-slap-is-rooted-in-anti-blackness-its-inequality-in-plain-sight

The final paragraphs in the article make a lot of sense to me:

'But let’s not forget why all this started in the first place. In case there was any confusion, alopecia is absolutely a disability, and one that Black women are more prone to. Whether or not Rock knew about Pinkett Smith’s condition, the politics of Black women’s hair is well known to be a historically fraught and often traumatising topic (he should know – he made a documentary about it in 2009).

Still, this kind of punching down on Black women remains typical of many Black male comedians who, like the rest of the world, don’t see Black women’s struggles and experiences as real or legitimate. And this lack of care for Black women also partly explains why people were so taken aback by the image of Smith standing up for his wife in that way. The world is so used to seeing Black women as unworthy of being protected and fought for that it can’t see any merit to Smith’s actions or the emotions that spurred them.

Smith has since apologised to Rock and the Academy, and this event will soon become just another wild story in our pop culture memory. But as we await the results of the Academy’s investigation, what I hope will remain is the opportunity to truly question how society views Black men, what we see as disability, and who we see as worthy of protecting.'

I agree with Merrymouse's point about the roasting of people for entertainment and how it needs to stop-it isn't funny and it does feel like bullying sometimes. In this case, I think it was bullying from Chris and Will reacted after a build up of insults towards his wife over the years. He shouldn't have slapped Chris, but Will has apologised and now Chris needs to apologise also.

DarleneSnell · 30/03/2022 20:51

I am sure alopecia is awful to live with, but CR isn't a mind-reader and re-watching the clips, personally I'm not seeing any malice. WS himself hasn't apologized for laughing at the joke initially.

Regardless I disagree Rock should apologize to JPS now, considering his punishment was being smacked by her husband on global TV, in an excruciatingly humiliating moment that can never be undone. The Smiths seemed happy enough at the after party and must be relieved at the apologists using his wife's alopecia as some kind of justification for WS being a total twat.

moonbedazzled · 30/03/2022 20:55

Jim Carey is spot on. It's not just about Will Smiith hitting Chris Rock. It's where he did it and how he did it and the rest of the audiences reaction. It's like these people are so famous, they don't have a moral compass anymore. But for me, Meryl Streep leading the rest of the acting world in a standing ovation of an admitted child rapist was the point when you realised they are blind to anything outside their 'art'. No wonder she turned a blind eye to Weinstein and pretended she never knew.
What a load of losers.

WizzardPjs · 30/03/2022 20:56

It was terrible diarrhoea that splattered all over the sofa and soaked through to the sponge cushion underneath. I don’t think it’s salvageable. I just hope the manufacture does spare cushions

SirChenjins · 30/03/2022 21:03

You sure you’re on the right thread @WizzardPjs? Grin

AryaStarkWolf · 30/03/2022 21:05

@WizzardPjs

It was terrible diarrhoea that splattered all over the sofa and soaked through to the sponge cushion underneath. I don’t think it’s salvageable. I just hope the manufacture does spare cushions
💩👀
AryaStarkWolf · 30/03/2022 21:09

@CatsAreBoppinAroundToTheRadio definitely take your points about black women however I think Will could have dealt with it and come out looking like the good guy had he commented on it later. It would have been much more powerful and well received had he mentioned the joke in his Oscar acceptance speech instead for example

DrManhattan · 30/03/2022 21:30

WizzardPJ sums up this year's Oscars perfectly

PoseyFlump · 30/03/2022 22:05

@DrManhattan

WizzardPJ sums up this year's Oscars perfectly

😂😂😂

Merrymouse · 30/03/2022 22:15

I am sure alopecia is awful to live with, but CR isn't a mind-reader and re-watching the clips, personally I'm not seeing any malice

It wasn’t even a funny joke - just a nasty jibe using a very dated reference.

People laugh out of politeness before the meaning sinks in.

Somebody should have checked his material, not least because it was at best lazy and decades out of date.

CatsAreBoppinAroundToTheRadio · 30/03/2022 22:49

Yes @AryaStarkWolf, Will mentioning the comments in his speech would definitely have been a more peaceful and powerful way to make a point and defend his wife. I hope the underlying issues don't get lost in amongst it all.

I've just read that Chris Rock's ticket sales for his latest show have spiked and the ticket prices have risen-that's showbiz folks...

notanotheroneagain · 30/03/2022 23:07

Will had been snubbed more than once on 'Oscar bait' movies. There was no guarantee he would win. Ask Denzel.

Jim Carey has a lot of nerve to comment so emotionally.

Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscars - where do you stand?
TrishM80 · 31/03/2022 02:51

Will Smith wasn't remotely offended by the joke. He was laughing at it originally. It was when his wife gave him daggers that he decided to act the hard man husband defending his wife. He was doing it to save face.

moonbedazzled · 31/03/2022 03:44

Jim Carey has a lot of nerve to comment so emotionally.

Jim Carrey might be a hypocrite but he was spot on with what he said.
Maybe 25 years - or the therapy he's received for his mental illness - has given him clarity on the situation.

Merrymouse · 31/03/2022 05:50

@TrishM80

Will Smith wasn't remotely offended by the joke. He was laughing at it originally. It was when his wife gave him daggers that he decided to act the hard man husband defending his wife. He was doing it to save face.
1) laughing in that situation is an instinctive social response 2) at least half the audience probably weren’t aware of the details of a 25 year old film that flopped at the box office.
ENoeuf · 31/03/2022 07:09

I’ve just read that Smith refused to leave when asked. I can’t get past a standing ovation for him and then him just having a blast (apparently) with people at the after party. There should be visible consequences for acts of violences for these ‘role models’.

MsTSwift · 31/03/2022 07:50

Not listening to Carrey pontificate. What a nerve after his past behaviour.

HRTQueen · 31/03/2022 08:04

That doesn’t surprise me he refused to leave. I think he was coked up that sudden change the aggression the refusal to leave the arrogance of thinking it was your place to stay after just assaulting someone is so typical of someone using coke it can make people so self righteous

WizzardPjs · 31/03/2022 08:22

What has Jim Carey ever done? I thought he was a good guy?

Selkiesarereal · 31/03/2022 08:30

Hmm, sounds like the Academy are trying to protect themselves as they would have had plenty of security who could have “helped” Smith to leave if they really wanted him to.

HRTQueen · 31/03/2022 08:52

If he was refusing to go he would have to be removed with force. That wouldn’t have been a quiet exit how long can you pause the broadcasting for and someone would have filmed it on their phone (a number of people would have)

That played out on TV just wouldn’t have looked good things were bad enough

ENoeuf · 31/03/2022 08:56

I agree , the optics of forcibly removing someone hyped up and aggressive would have been terrible. And then they are out and angry with access to media etc.

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