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Will Smith/Chris Rock Oscars - where do you stand?

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Jaggerdagger · 28/03/2022 07:28

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-60898250

I'm a bit on the fence at the moment but shocked from watching this - wondered what others think?

YABU Will Smith had every right to wallop Chris. His wife was clearly deeply insulted. He deserved it.
YANBU Chris was just reading from a script and didn't deserve such a public assault.

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SirChenjins · 29/03/2022 11:42

Because, as far as I understand it, for the police to peruse this, Chris Rock has to press charges, which he has declined to do

This surprised me - I was always under the impression that the police didn’t need the victim to press charges if there was clear evidence of the wrongdoing. Must be different in the US?

Knittingchamp · 29/03/2022 11:45

@ParisLondonTokyoSlough

www.teenvogue.com/story/will-smith-chris-rock-slap-situation-is-not-about-you

Just leaving this here. Stop making violence by a black man to another man into a discussion about why that black man is threatening to YOU. It's nothing to do with you, or any other domestic violence survivors. It's just the same old narrative about threatening black men that has been peddled since the slave trade. Just stop.

This is brilliant, thanks for posting. Wish everyone would read it.
tttigress · 29/03/2022 11:55

@ParisLondonTokyoSlough

And if this was a white actor the narrative would be concern for his mental health. It's the same with terrorism - a white man shoots school children, or asian women, or a shopping mall and all the news reports are about the state of mental health in the country. A black or brown does the same, and it's about clamping down on terrorism or violence.
I did actually say that I think Will smith has mental health issues.
Fizbosshoes · 29/03/2022 11:58

I know its totally not the point of the thread but how is Chris Rock 57?? He looks around 40.

JustMaggie · 29/03/2022 12:00

I don't get this weird trend of publicly humiliating people to their face and calling it a "joke". It's not a joke. What he said wasn't even remotely funny. It was verbal abuse. He absolutely deserved that punch.

southeastdweller · 29/03/2022 12:06

@ParisLondonTokyoSlough

www.teenvogue.com/story/will-smith-chris-rock-slap-situation-is-not-about-you

Just leaving this here. Stop making violence by a black man to another man into a discussion about why that black man is threatening to YOU. It's nothing to do with you, or any other domestic violence survivors. It's just the same old narrative about threatening black men that has been peddled since the slave trade. Just stop.

Some gutless wonder wrote an anonymous piece effectively excusing Smith's violence - it's pathetic and so is everyone else here who has also excused the actions of that thug.
DropYourSword · 29/03/2022 12:12

@SirChenjins

Because, as far as I understand it, for the police to peruse this, Chris Rock has to press charges, which he has declined to do

This surprised me - I was always under the impression that the police didn’t need the victim to press charges if there was clear evidence of the wrongdoing. Must be different in the US?

Ooops, I meant pursue not peruse! Typo.

Yes, I think it's very different in US as I think in UK the police themselves could bring charges regardless of what the victim decides. But honestly I'm not entirely sure how it all works

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 29/03/2022 12:13

Some gutless wonder wrote an anonymous piece effectively excusing Smith's violence - it's pathetic and so is everyone else here who has also excused the actions of that thug.

Way to ignore the point of the article. Everyone agrees that punching Chris was a sub-optimal decision on Will’s part. What is not OK is making Will representative of or responsible for other black men, advocating reprimanding him beyond what is done for his white peers, comparing him to domestic abusers or child murderers, or making his actions towards another man somehow a personal threat to you and other white women.

If you can’t see how this is problematic and everything to do with race, then I don’t really have anything else to say to you.

YetAnotherChanger · 29/03/2022 12:13

@southeastdweller It’s not anonymous.

southeastdweller · 29/03/2022 12:24

[quote YetAnotherChanger]@southeastdweller It’s not anonymous.[/quote]
So who is 'Stitch' who wrote that garbage?

YetAnotherChanger · 29/03/2022 12:27

@southeastdweller Stitch is the name they chose to write under, a quick Google will tell you but carry on.

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 29/03/2022 12:28

Out of interest do you think would have happened if a white man had got up and slapped CR across the face for making that joke about his wife?

Except that’s not a like for like comparison. The equivalent would be Brad Pitt slapping Ricky Gervais. We all know the societal imbalances of power between whites and blacks in the USA where unjustified violence towards black men was not only ignored, it was encouraged. So it’s not an equivalent- just like a woman slapping Chris rock would not be an equivalent, or Will slapping a female comedian would also not be equivalent.

So my question is why isn't it being taken as seriously when it's black on black crime? Probably because in the current climate people just don't know what to do with that so the fall back is "how can we make this about how racist white people are?" You can't, hence the flailing.

What’s black on black crime? Every narrative in society is set up to make the actions of black people worse than other races. Until we also talk about white on white crime then please just don’t ask ridiculous questions like that.

LondonWolf · 29/03/2022 12:41

What’s black on black crime? Every narrative in society is set up to make the actions of black people worse than other races. Until we also talk about white on white crime then please just don’t ask ridiculous questions like that.

Thank you for engaging with me. I don't believe my questions are ridiculous. They're only "ridiculous" to you because they offer a viewpoint/opinion you personally don't like and which doesn't align with your beliefs around race. And they beliefs not facts. I am happy to apologise if my terminology is incorrect but I believe I was clear enough and I know that is the terminology used when discussing these matters whether you personally like that or not. For myself crime is crime, violent attacks are violent attacks and I don't care what race a person is.

TerriblyStill · 29/03/2022 12:48

@cheekyduck
TerriblyStill
I'm appalled by Will Smith's behaviour. He's a role model to many young, black men. He's just modelled the behaviour that if someone insults you/your 'possession'/wife then it's justified to respond with violence.

I read earlier that black member of the academy board said he was sickened by Will's conforming to the stereotype of 'violent black man' and that Will had damaged the efforts to have this stereotype written off as racist and outdated.

Chris Rock's joke was an absolute pile of shite and Jada/Will could so easily and effectively shamed him for it afterwards but now he's a victim of violent crime .

I too am shocked at the amount of apologists for Will Smith's behaviour and completely agree with those who say if he is willing to physically assault and verbally abuse someone with the eyes of millions upon millions of people on him, what on earth would he do at home behind closed doors.

The whole thing is sickening and has completely taken over the celebration of actors/directors/composers at the top of their game. I'd love to think it would spell the end of his career but we know that violent men continue to succeed as they always have. It's like we've made no progress at all.
Here's a newsflash.

Most black boys don't hold Will Smith as a role model, they get their values from their home, like everyone else.

Your own outrage says more about you being threatened by a black man, than it does about the actual incident,

When you type, has completely taken over the celebration of actors/directors/composers at the top of their game. I'd love to think it would spell the end of his career for one fucking incident, says it all @TerriblyStill

Absolutely agree that most young black men get their role models from home - as they should - but in a profession where black actors have taken a long time to come to the fore, Will Smith is one of the most successful and people admire him for that. To dismiss his influence is naive. My outrage is not because he’s a black man but because he’s a man, a high profile man who has physically assaulted another man because he didn’t like what he said about his wife. It’s utterly pathetic and the sort of behaviour you’d expect between two drunken idiots at the pub.
I mentioned race after reading the comment of the black academy member but those who say that I wouldn’t have said the same about a white man representing all white men is right and I’m going to check myself on that. I think that because there are far fewer highly successful black actors than white, they carrier a heavier burden in terms of representation but that’s not right or fair.

I don’t know if I find black men more threatening any more than I do white. I feel the same way about Will Smith now as I do about Jeremy Clarkson or Boy George, other violent public figures whose transgressions have not harmed their careers one jot. As violence not being acceptable is one of the fundamental principles of our society I do think that his punishment should be more far reaching than having to write a grovelling apology on twitter. I don’t think violent men should maintain leading roles in our entertainment but they do and will always continue to which is a dire situation IMO.

TerriblyStill · 29/03/2022 12:49

Gah, longest post in the universe there , forgot to tag @cheekyduck - my response to their comments starts half way down if anyone can be bothered to read that far!

LondonWolf · 29/03/2022 12:52

Except that’s not a like for like comparison. The equivalent would be Brad Pitt slapping Ricky Gervais. We all know the societal imbalances of power between whites and blacks in the USA where unjustified violence towards black men was not only ignored, it was encouraged. So it’s not an equivalent- just like a woman slapping Chris rock would not be an equivalent, or Will slapping a female comedian would also not be equivalent.

I know it's not a like for like comparison. That's my entire point. These days such an attack by a white man on a black man could never be dismissed as a heat of the moment aberration as it has been for Will by many. It would be used as evidence of deep, institutional racism. Do you deny that? You say though that white men would have such behaviour written off as MH issues yet we see right here on this thread that the exact same thing is happening to Will. If Brad Pitt - your example - had struck Chris Rock for a joke about his wife, what do you think would happen to him and his career? Would that, in the current climate, be met with the same equanimity with Will's actions are?

I'm not attempting to deny historical racism and/or societal imbalances, I am refuting some of your assertions around this particular incident. I think it's really important to do that to keep narratives fresh, especially when it comes to how race is dealt with in a multi cultural society.

LondonWolf · 29/03/2022 12:53

I have to go to work now so please don't think I am ignoring you if I don't reply Smile

Momijin · 29/03/2022 12:54

Jada is upset at her alopecia and an idiot makes a joke about it in front of the whole world! I mean. Will has probably see his wife really struggle with it and he got triggered. I don't blame him for hitting Chris but all it has done is make sure that the whole world really knows and talks about Jada's alopecia. So if I was Jada, and i was embarrassed about something, i wouldn't like more attention drawn to it. He should have said something quietly later and not laughed at the joke. That would have been enough. How is Chris Rock even famous, he's crap. I do like WS though.

Nomores · 29/03/2022 12:57

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SirChenjins · 29/03/2022 13:04

He wanted that night to be his moment, finally, and then Chris Rock insulted his wife, in front of millions of people

Which he found so to be so insulting to his wife that he laughed at the joke too, in front of millions of people.

cheekyduck · 29/03/2022 13:40

@LondonWolf

Except that’s not a like for like comparison. The equivalent would be Brad Pitt slapping Ricky Gervais. We all know the societal imbalances of power between whites and blacks in the USA where unjustified violence towards black men was not only ignored, it was encouraged. So it’s not an equivalent- just like a woman slapping Chris rock would not be an equivalent, or Will slapping a female comedian would also not be equivalent.

I know it's not a like for like comparison. That's my entire point. These days such an attack by a white man on a black man could never be dismissed as a heat of the moment aberration as it has been for Will by many. It would be used as evidence of deep, institutional racism. Do you deny that? You say though that white men would have such behaviour written off as MH issues yet we see right here on this thread that the exact same thing is happening to Will. If Brad Pitt - your example - had struck Chris Rock for a joke about his wife, what do you think would happen to him and his career? Would that, in the current climate, be met with the same equanimity with Will's actions are?

I'm not attempting to deny historical racism and/or societal imbalances, I am refuting some of your assertions around this particular incident. I think it's really important to do that to keep narratives fresh, especially when it comes to how race is dealt with in a multi cultural society.

If Brad Pitt slapped Chris Rock for insulting his wife what would happen , NOTHING.

We have a Prime Minister who has been openly racist, nothing happens. We had a US President that was openly racist, nothing happened.

As a black person I watch the UK and US openly say to white refugees , as many as you can come into our country, while here black people are deported illegally and we're too full for the ones arriving in dinghies.

SO many white people I know say things like 'You can't say you're English nowadays, you can't be racist to black people nowadays but they can be to us', its complete bollocks...

Nomores · 29/03/2022 15:24

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Sistanotcista · 29/03/2022 15:34

I don’t think violence is the best response. But I’m surprised that the academy is making such a fuss about it, as they thrive and survive on violent movies. By the way, this is the same academy that gave paedophile Roman Polanski an award in absentia after he pleaded guilty to unlawful sex with a minor and fled the country to avoid sentencing. I know which action I think is the worst. But Roman was white, and Will is not.

wanttomarryamillionaire · 29/03/2022 15:35

All three of them are arseholes! Chris rock, well that's evident from the "jokes" he makes. Will was laughing until he realised his wife wasn't so amused and then behaved like an arrogant bully and Jada has publicly humiliated will on national tv before but doesn't like it when its herself on the receiving end of the humiliation! All three should just crawl back under their rocks!

SirChenjins · 29/03/2022 15:35

Have I ever laughed at something directed at my loved one that I found to be so insulting that I completely lost the plot to the extent he did?

No to both.

Interesting that you see the ability not to lash out with fists as perfection personified. Most of us see it as normal.