Page 3 | to not get the Mandela effect when it comes to Nelson Mandela

Motherhubbardscupboard · 27/03/2022 22:51

But Mirror, mirror on the wall is correct. That's what it says in the fairy tale (the book). It's the film that changes it to magic mirror. So if you have read the fairy story or had it read to you, you might have missed that the film is different.

StoneofDestiny · 27/03/2022 22:56

Never heard of this before - but I remember clearly watching him on TV walking out on his own

ThatPosterIsSoRight · 27/03/2022 22:59

The simplest theory is usually correct.

Is it:

A) a few ignorant people didn’t pay attention to the news, and once they said they thought Nelson Mandela had died in prison other people (who also hadn’t paid attention to worldwide news) convinced themselves they’d though that too; or

B) an alternative timeline where the only major difference was Mandela dying in prison, and a whole load of people switching between alternative timelines, and replacing the people in this timeline, and keeping their memories.

which could it possibly be??

Differences from films etc is just different sources (eg book), mumbling, memes with the wrong words etc.

Cbes · 27/03/2022 22:59

The Walkers crisps one is a change of dominant brand, not a change in the Walkers colours. In the 80s the dominant brand was KP, who used green for cheese and onion, but in the 90s Walkers gained market share, and their cheese and onion was blue. (Still feels wrong).

Mirror mirror was from the book, not the movie.

Justanotherlurker · 27/03/2022 23:03

So you are basing the Mandela effect based on a film you watched recently?

The whole point of the Mandela effect is that they know it is wrong, but through collective memory a weird narrative has become mainstream, you see it on here all the time, it's the same as saying Walkers Cheese and Onion used to be green packets, it isn't a racist situation that some are trying to inject into the conversation.

You are misunderstanding the wider Mandela effect narrative because you have just watched a film and decided to focus on one angle

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/03/2022 23:03

@OmgIThinkILikeYou

It's not saying the remember it wrong, the Mandela theory suggests that there are different timeliness that exist and these have somehow blended or some people have switched timelines. That is why so many people remember the things one way when all evidence suggests it was another.

So if you go by this, all the events with Nelson Mandela after his supposed death wouldn't have happened in one timeline, so that is why people don't remember them. When those people ended up in this timeline, they were confused as they remembered the headlines of him dying from their own.

It's really a parallel universes theory but it isn't as simple as, oh why don't they remember x y and z, because the theory is based on large chunks of people switching parallel universes without knowledge.

Isn't that a Doctor Who plotline?

TheGoogleMum · 27/03/2022 23:04

I'm a bit young for the Nelson Mandela one but the crisps one always bugged me! Thanks for the explanation @Cbes that makes total sense

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cakeorwine · 27/03/2022 23:08

@Justanotherlurker

So you are basing the Mandela effect based on a film you watched recently?

The whole point of the Mandela effect is that they know it is wrong, but through collective memory a weird narrative has become mainstream, you see it on here all the time, it's the same as saying Walkers Cheese and Onion used to be green packets, it isn't a racist situation that some are trying to inject into the conversation.

You are misunderstanding the wider Mandela effect narrative because you have just watched a film and decided to focus on one angle

You clearly haven't read the thread and have jumped to your own conclusions.

Read the thread again, engage your slow thinking and then repost.

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TabithaTittlemouse · 27/03/2022 23:16

People are just thick.

Greatoutdoors · 27/03/2022 23:25

I get it that not everyone pays attention to the news, but what about when Alan Titchmarsh and Charlie Dimmock spruced up his garden on Ground Force?

JaneJeffer · 27/03/2022 23:47

@AlwaysAWoman

Yes to Britney wearing a headset in that video! Honestly I can see it clear as day in my memory. So weird

Me too because she fiddles with the mouth part

Justanotherlurker · 27/03/2022 23:47

Read the thread again, engage your slow thinking and then repost.

I have read the thread and your posts, the slow thinking here is you not really underastanding the 'collective memory situation' and trying to railroad a singular narrative and pass it off as something intellectuctual and critical thinking.

People know the Mandela effect is wrong that's the issue, it is a wider topic of how Walkers crisps apparently used a different colour for cheese and onion, it's just a name.

The not so slow thinkers have moved on years ago as to why what is essentially modern day folk law become a common narrative and not focus on the man who it is named after, there are many variations across the globe. You are late to the party to try and offer some 'intelectual' narrative and try and paint Mandela efective is based on a specific person.

Morfil · 27/03/2022 23:49

So you are basing the Mandela effect based on a film you watched recently?

The whole point of the Mandela effect is that they know it is wrong, but through collective memory a weird narrative has become mainstream, you see it on here all the time, it's the same as saying Walkers Cheese and Onion used to be green packets, it isn't a racist situation that some are trying to inject into the conversation.

You are misunderstanding the wider Mandela effect narrative because you have just watched a film and decided to focus on one angle
Why do you always speak such utter gibberish?

Morfil · 28/03/2022 00:10

@Justanotherlurker

The extent of the question being asked by the OP is how on earth so many people misremembered Nelson Mandela dying in prison.

In most examples of the Mandela Effect, it is easy to see where the confusion (and collective misremembering) came from. E.g. Walkers Crisps didn’t change colour, but became the popular brand and used different colour-coding than the previous leading brands.

As to why so many people think/thought Nelson Mandela died in prison in the 80s…I (like the OP) stumped for what the genesis was, and how it managed to persist into at least the 2000s.

I’m barely able to discern a point from your musings, but they don’t seem to be relevant to the thread.

sashh · 28/03/2022 00:43

@cakeorwine

People thinking he died in prison...

His leaving house arrest was a big news event.
Winning the Nobel Peace Prize
The first elections after apartheid
Becoming President.
Presenting the Rugby World Cup to the winning South African team in South Africa
His death in 2013

All massive news events.

I get some people thinking certain people had died before they had and misremembering other stuff and events...

But thinking Nelson Mandela had died in jail in the 80s....Seriously?
Meeting the Queen
His death and funeral in

That's the point.

It's not that people don't remember the release, it's that WHEN he was released lots of people thought, "what? He died, there was a court case about his biography / autobiography"

If you grew up in the late 1980s Mandela is part of general knowledge, but in the 1970s he was not well known. When Jerry Dammers was asked to write a song about him his initial reaction was, "Who?"

Morfil · 28/03/2022 01:02

That's the point.

It's not that people don't remember the release, it's that WHEN he was released lots of people thought, "what? He died, there was a court case about his biography / autobiography"
While I’m sure that’s true in some cases, when this topic first arose in 2010, many still wrongly remembered him as having died in prison, and had no memory of his release or subsequent events.

Morfil · 28/03/2022 01:15

I can’t find the original website with all of the different accounts of how people misremembered this, but one quoted in the below article is of someone who remembers learning, in 1997, that Mandela had died in prison. Obviously that’s several years after he was released.

www.timeslive.co.za/amp/news/south-africa/2019-11-06-hundreds-remember-nelson-mandela-dying-in-the-1980s-inside-the-mandela-effect/

PollyPutTheKettleOnKettleOn · 28/03/2022 01:19

Uh YES to Britney wearing a headpiece.

StartupRepair · 28/03/2022 01:34

I think 1) many people are sadly ignorant and 2) memory is notoriously fallible.

Phyllis321 · 28/03/2022 07:05

I know several people who are adamant that you see Mr Darcy/Colin Firth emerge from his impromptu pond swim all dripping and alluring. I recently rewatched it and you don't- he dives in then you see him walking away.
Disappointing.

Usernameinsponeeded · 28/03/2022 07:13

I was so intrigued by the Britney one when my daughter showed me on tiktok.
So much so that I managed to find my old VHS recording of VH1 and found The music video recorded when it came out.
I would have put so much money on her wearing a headset too in that video, but none. She wasn’t wearing one. I was/am so confused. I even ‘remember’ her adjusting it!

Also, just over six weeks ago I told my husband Ash Barty was retiring from tennis. I heard it on the radio (I’m in Brisbane where she’s from, so she’s a hero here). He googled it and nothing. I googled it. Nothing. He told all his work colleagues and they said I was wrong. The other day she announced her retirement from tennis and everyone was in total shock. Even her. She was on tv making a live announcement and said “this is the first time I’ve said it out loud, and now it feels even more real”. But she’d already announced it, and said those words, I swear!

(Now his work colleagues think I’m mates with ash), win.

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cakeorwine · 28/03/2022 07:32

@Justanotherlurker

If you claim to have read the thread carefully and done slow thinking, then you would have realised that the film I saw was absolutely nothing to do with The Mandela Effect.

That was in reference to the film The long road to freedom - which did not discuss the Mandela effect.

Go on, read the thread again and see if you can figure out why the film was referenced.

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cakeorwine · 28/03/2022 07:38

You are late to the party to try and offer some 'intelectual' narrative and try and paint Mandela efective is based on a specific person

Actually it's in the title of the OP.

I know about the Mandela effect - - I am focusing specifically on the example when it comes to Mandela himself. I am just puzzled how people can claim to think he died in prison when there were so many news stories about him.

It's not a wider focus on the Mandela effect. It's a very specific effect on the Mandela effect when it comes to Mandela himself - because people who claimed he was dead clearly didn't know they were wrong as that 's what they thought.

Oh - and as above, the film

You are misunderstanding the wider Mandela effect narrative because you have just watched a film and decided to focus on one angle

The film had nothing to do with it. The film was about Mandela himself and was in reference to the house arrest.

So clearly, not much slow thinking going on with you.

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MargosKaftan · 28/03/2022 08:05

But OP, the whole idea was created because when he was released, and in the news, going on to become president, lots of people independently thought "oh, im sure i heard he died a few years ago in prison. I definitely remember that." Then with the early stages of the Internet, people started sharing the experience of being surprised when they heard he was released, because they were sure he had already died.

Its not that they didn't pay attention to the news and not realise all the things he did post prison, its that they were sure prior to that it had been announced he had died.

I do think its fascinating and he's a good example of it because he was so internationally famous had he died in prison it would have been widely reported, and then his release was so widely reported those who thought they'd heard the death report found out they were wrong enough to start talking about it.

BrieAndChilli · 28/03/2022 08:19

You have to bear in mind though OP that years ago (when the Mandela effect would have been ‘coined’ as a Phrase) that there wasn’t 24/7 access to news and global events like we have now.
Some people would only ever read the local paper if they read one at all, they may not watch the 6pm news because they were eating dinner/putting kids to bed/going down the pub.
It’s only on recent years where we have such a glut of information thrust at us so that everyone bows the tiny details of so many things.

So yes in today’s world it seems crazy that the Mandela effect would happen but going back 20/30 years ago it was a different world and was much more likely.
Most of the Mandela effect examples are all from 20+ years ago and refer to things that are a distant memory so it’s easy for the brain to mix up