Dogs… To think it doesn’t matter whether it’s a legal breed or not?!

[MsWalterMitty]

Just read about the recent child death in St Helen’s. It’s so awful!

The breed of dog has been released and it turns out it’s not an illegal breed. It’s called an American Bully XL, never heard of it so I googled it, even though I had an idea what it might look like due to its name.

Surely, whether it’s legal or not, this dog seems like a really stupid choice for a family!

[quote Questiontellme]**@LexMitior* yep, but it's not about that. @user3837313202* is using classic whataboutery tactics to divert attention away from the issue being discussed.

Not one ounce of empathy towards the child victims being discussed in this thread from user387. The children in the Midlands are still in intesive care. Only diversionary tactics and moving on to needs of dogs, this would be bad enough but then we have the also frankly disgusting and borderline psychopathic but sadly classic blaming the child victim 'dogs need guidance and boundaries just like children' always the child's fault isn't.[/quote]
Some people really do believe their dogs are on equal par with humans. I’ve been a dog owner all my adult life. I’ve loved every dog I owned but they’re animals. Neither me nor my dog are offended if someone is scared of him and jumps out of the way. My dog won’t be emotionally scarred for life if he’s put in another room if we have a dog phobic visitor. If my dog was a serious risk of harm to any other human, he’d no longer be my dog.

I haven't RTFT yet but idiot owners really annoy me

I've had one which let a puppy sit on my horses back hoof, on a day with flies everywhere. Horse stood like a rock while the puppy was swinging off her tail and I was screaming for the owners to get hold as they ambled over

One recently dog off lead, owner no control. My cat was minding his own business in my garden and dog ran in and went for him

And I do actually like dogs!

[quote Questiontellme]**@LexMitior* yep, but it's not about that. @user3837313202* is using classic whataboutery tactics to divert attention away from the issue being discussed.

Not one ounce of empathy towards the child victims being discussed in this thread from user387. The children in the Midlands are still in intesive care. Only diversionary tactics and moving on to needs of dogs, this would be bad enough but then we have the also frankly disgusting and borderline psychopathic but sadly classic blaming the child victim 'dogs need guidance and boundaries just like children' always the child's fault isn't.[/quote]
I have literally no idea how you've come to that conclusion from what I wrote.

Somewhere in the last 24 pages this thread went off on a tangent (as they so often do) about dog training methods after a tangent about prong collars.

I have every sympathy for the children; you've taken 2+2 and made 56.

Another toddler has now died from a dog attack. Anyone aware of the type of dog involved?

When do we say enough is enough?

Speaking as a dog owner for the past 45 years.

@Cherropea

Another toddler has now died from a dog attack. Anyone aware of the type of dog involved?

When do we say enough is enough?

Speaking as a dog owner for the past 45 years.

Was this the husky attack?

No a different one to the Lincolnshire baby that was killed in the woods. I was referring to the one attacked in Worcestershire, he died in hospital from his injuries. Becoming a bit frequent isn't it? 😥

A 2021 study of fatal dog attacks in Europe during the period 1995–2016 showed 56 fatalities.
Of those 56 fatalities 43 were bull breeds.

This is despite bull breeds being outnumbered by other breeds.

I’m not sure how anyone can argue with that statistically.

Cherropea Rottweilers, I believe.

Rottweilers - so no surprise. As I said some pages up, you know it won’t be a cav or a bichon, or a Lhasa, or a shitzu or any of a million smaller breeds that are suitable to be supervised near children. I could not fight of a Rottweiler that attacked a child - or me for that matter. How can people be allowed to own these dangerous weapons.

I have a small 5kg terrier dog and I am sure he could easily kill a cat and he can be dog reactive so he’s never off lead. I’ve seen him pretend kill a toy and being a terrier he shakes it really hard and throws it then pounces again, shakes hard, throws. Anyone who ever plays with an excitable dog can see their ‘kill practice’. I do believe some dogs have no interest in this kind of play and maybe just like fetch, or exploring their surroundings but a lot of dogs DO play and they do play kill things and people just think it’s funny and cute. Like all those tough toys in the pet shop made to play tug of war where your massive dog holds onto a huge rope and you can’t get their jaw unclenched from it?

My dog seems to have been bred to not be human aggressive at all, I’ve never seen him do it, but I wouldn’t trust him alone with a child. He is an animal and on instinct chases things and play kills soft toys

All dogs can bite, it's the risk of death from the force of the breed's jaws which surely governs the danger level? Ive only ever been bitten by 1 dog - a cockerpoo which ran up to me and latched onto my wrist. It certainly hurt but ultimately the jaws of a cockerpoo are probably not going to be fatal. I wont have a dog with a powerful bite as a pet.

I suppose it’s relative to the size of the person being attacked. My 5kg dog could over power a very small child but he has a small jaw and would bite to grip then shake hard and throw rather than the bite itself being harmful (although also depends as in the neck could be fatal)

Another DC lost his life today in Worchestershire he suffered cardiac arrest 3 days after an attack by 3 family pets rottweilers.

I don’t think our little 3 kg JR terrier cross (with chihuahua we think, though no one is really sure) couldn’t hurt someone if she tried, except maybe a newborn.

Not that she would, she’s the softest little thing. We had to get her special kibble because the normal was too big for her to chew

But I still will not leave her alone with dc. I have never let them man handle her either and taught them ‘dog etiquette’ early on. Luckily she responds to training well and seems to love everyone and everything.

Dog has currently squished herself between the dc on the sofa. I must admit, looking at them now, that I don’t think I could ever relax with a dog anywhere near them that was so big that I (or even the youngest dc) could not easily overpower if needed. I know there are lots that are absolutely lovely, but the risk would just always be at the front of my mind.

I used to buy into the ‘oh no not a tiny yappy nippy awful dog’ noise but after seeing how fantastic and trainable ddog is I don’t think I’ll ever have/adopt any other kind. Photo included because any excuse

Oh goodness I’m sorry, can see my happy post is entirely inappropriate given the latest posts those poor babies.

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All dogs can bite, it's the risk of death from the force of the breed's jaws which surely governs the danger level? Ive only ever been bitten by 1 dog - a cockerpoo which ran up to me and latched onto my wrist. It certainly hurt but ultimately the jaws of a cockerpoo are probably not going to be fatal. I wont have a dog with a powerful bite as a pet.

Exactly, it's seriously hurts being bitten by a small dog and that's as an adult human trying to separate two from fighting!! A child has no chance of escaping serious injury from a big dog.

I own a Rottweiler along with other dogs and whilst I believe she has a sound temperament, she is an exceptionally strong dog and I don't think breeds like her are going to have a place in society for much longer. I think the time will come for a lot of breeds to be owned under strict licence only. This will hugely impact responsible dog owning friends of mine but what else can be done?

Too many children are being attacked and killed. Dogs are a luxury not a necessity before people start comparing them with cars 🙄

I agree @Cherropea.
I have GSD, big powerful dogs admittedly.
I am extremely careful with the dogs around children even though I do not for one second believe they could or would be aggressive to a human. I’ve never seen any aggression to people from any of them.

Saying that, if it would save a child somewhere I would happy apply for a license, pay, attend mandatory training classes, test, muzzle, leash my dogs or whatever else it would take to comply. My dogs are not more important than someones child.

Dogs are a luxury not a necessity before people start comparing them with cars 🙄

Try telling a farmer his working dogs are a luxury.

Cars meanwhile really are a luxury for most people in urban areas. I didn't have one at all until I was in my late 20s and would happily get rid of my current vehicle if it wasn't a white van necessary for running my business.

If we want to reduce the number of dead children (and I really don't think it matters exactly which violent method they die by), reducing the number of cars on the road, and the speed they travel at, is far more effective than measures tackling dogs.

user3837313202

My DH is a farmer, we have three working collies. Doesn't change my opinion.

@StrawberryStarfish

Labradors can be bastards. My dog has been attacked by two different Labradors in two separate incidents

My mum's dog nearly died after being bitten by a lab. My own dog got admitted to emergency vets after being bitten by a collie. The most vicious dogs I have personally met have been chihuahuas. "Oh, they are small, so can't hurt you"... so they don't train out the bad behaviours.

If you encounter a vicious chihuahua you can punt the little shit six foot in the air. Rather different to being at the mercy of a big dog that could kill you.

Exactly Headnorth, this is the point that so many are missing. A bit like comparing a gerbil to a wolf.

There has been a huge increase in large breed attacks.
We mainly hear about the fatalities.

Equally little dogs run around and can snap at big dogs to cause issues.