If 'commoners' can marry into the royal family - why have a 'royal' family -

[HacketteofHacks]

I totally respect the Queen and think she's been largely a force for good...
But at work we were talking about the tour that's on now.. my boss pointed out the the definition of a royal family was that its lineage is 'predetermined by God'.
Well that is archaic in itself - my boss (who is no royalist) the. pointed out that once members of a royal family marry commoners they lose this 'untouchable special-Ness'.
I think he had a good point...
He's from Jamaica so hence we were all having the conversation .

@Briony123

The "descended from God" aspect ended with William & Mary several hundred years ago!

No it didn't, the Queen still traces her descent from Wotan via Cerdic and Alfred the Great. To be fair, so do most of the UK given the numbers of generations involved. That makes me all a tiny bit Valkyrie I reckon.

the Queen still traces her descent from Wotan via Cerdic and Alfred the Great.

So was it the gods, or actual God that bestowed the divine right
to murder and scam people rule? Mind boggles.

And when did her family decide it was ok to randomly change theistic approach? Must have been a bit confusing for the peasants. Still is I guess, for us serfs that plug our brains in from time to time.

@TheKeatingFive

In the fiscal year ending March 31, 2020, the Crown Estate pulled in more than $700 million, with more than $475 million in profits.

It's national suicide, even from a financial point of view.

You seem to be misunderstanding the legal status of the Crown Estates. The monarch has no claim or ownership of them at a personal level.

Lol, I know, hence my points.

Hail mary mother of goodness. Do people, deliberately misconstrue a point. Send you to the Westminister hall to be tried before THE KING for being facetious.
The argument has been presented that RF is wealthy, entitled, privileged, etc, yet they bring in revenue. They are also representative of Britains' Global identity and our history.
It's what makes Britain British.

What revenue do they bring in? They cost us money.

crepesncream reddit has a bot that flags up crap and urban myths reposted zillions of times, on here people spend most of their time trying to keep on track 🤷

The argument has been presented that RF is wealthy, entitled, privileged, etc, yet they bring in revenue.

What revenue?

@Hrpuffnstuff1 the royals are definitely not what makes Britain British . And if it is - then that’s even more reason to get rid of them not less!

[quote RogueBorg]@Hrpuffnstuff1 the royals are definitely not what makes Britain British . And if it is - then that’s even more reason to get rid of them not less![/quote]
That’s some bizarre logic.

I’m still patiently waiting for someone to explain how and why it would be better for the UK to be a republic - apart from saving a relatively small amount of money, bearing in mind the a presidential system wouldn’t be free.

Ireland's presidency two and a half times cheaper. If the president's no good you can vote them out. It's how democracy works.

We need to think about what to call Britain if the worst happens and Britain is no longer British. Britannia might be a bit too close and just remind everyone about what they lost. Albion has history but the inherent etymological white-ness might not represent everyone and might just remind everyone how we lost the multi-ethnic inclusivity the RF brought. It's inconceivable, as Vizzini might say.

They are also representative of Britains' Global identity and our history.
It's what makes Britain British

Absolutely not. How shameful if it was.

Because the Queen is pretty powerless and does nothing to hold a PM to account (proroguing parliament unlawfully for instance) and European presidents protect constitutions and can rein in politicians breaking laws. Proroguing of parliament would not have happened for instance with a President, checks and balances etc.
The Queen does what the PM tells her to do. Hardly healthy is it.

@Zilla1

We need to think about what to call Britain if the worst happens and Britain is no longer British. Britannia might be a bit too close and just remind everyone about what they lost. Albion has history but the inherent etymological white-ness might not represent everyone and might just remind everyone how we lost the multi-ethnic inclusivity the RF brought. It's inconceivable, as Vizzini might say.

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/racist-royals-buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-

Are we talking about the same royal family here?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jun/02/buckingham-palace-banned-ethnic-minorities-from-office-roles-papers-reveal

Thanks @Roussette. I don’t agree with you but I do appreciate you at least having a go at answering my question.

Don't forget they are the RF for many countries with diverse majority ethnicities which is almost like the RF having multiple ethnicities themselves. And I vaguely recall one defence to an employment tribunal was that there was a Black Press Secretary.

Schrodinger's Queen. Simultaneously above politics but having just enough power when it is essential for the nation's good. A quantum queen. How many PPs are macro-quantum entities and simultaneously able to do two contradictory things. And no, I'm not talking about the power to look at Legislation before it is published and having a quiet word.

Don't forget they are the RF for many countries with diverse majority ethnicities which is almost like the RF having multiple ethnicities themselves.

Possibly contender for "bollocks of the day" award. And given how batshit Putin is, that's some achievement.

I think ...
I've just been ...
"Zilla"'d

Chapeau !!

Not a very good go Blossom!

But prorogation made me think about a rogue PM and what would happen and I found it appalling the Queen just said yes, as it was deemed unlawful, admittedly after the event. It stopped necessary debate on Brexit. It made me realise that the Queen does exactly what a PM tells her to do so what exactly is the point.

@Zilla1

Don't forget they are the RF for many countries with diverse majority ethnicities which is almost like the RF having multiple ethnicities themselves. And I vaguely recall one defence to an employment tribunal was that there was a Black Press Secretary.

So because they reign over countries with diverse majority ethnicities that makes them diverse, inclusive and non racist? What a bizarre way to think. Did you read my link above about how non inclusive they are?

WTAF! There is a reason why Kensington Palace refused to release it's diversity figures and why the Palace itself said they must do better!

So because they reign over countries with diverse majority ethnicities that makes them diverse, inclusive and non racist?

It's practically the same. Well except for Edward VIII who will have lost that veneer of multi-ethnicity when he abdicated. The association with the Nazis just emphasises his lack of diversity after he abdicated.

@Zilla1

So because they reign over countries with diverse majority ethnicities that makes them diverse, inclusive and non racist?

It's practically the same. Well except for Edward VIII who will have lost that veneer of multi-ethnicity when he abdicated. The association with the Nazis just emphasises his lack of diversity after he abdicated.

Absolutely hilarious

@Roussette

Not a very good go Blossom!

But prorogation made me think about a rogue PM and what would happen and I found it appalling the Queen just said yes, as it was deemed unlawful, admittedly after the event. It stopped necessary debate on Brexit. It made me realise that the Queen does exactly what a PM tells her to do so what exactly is the point.

Well now the truth is out there, at least it's one less pathetic excuse for these sponging whingers and their sycophantic fanboys can use to shut down debate.