If 'commoners' can marry into the royal family - why have a 'royal' family -

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I totally respect the Queen and think she's been largely a force for good...
But at work we were talking about the tour that's on now.. my boss pointed out the the definition of a royal family was that its lineage is 'predetermined by God'.
Well that is archaic in itself - my boss (who is no royalist) the. pointed out that once members of a royal family marry commoners they lose this 'untouchable special-Ness'.
I think he had a good point...
He's from Jamaica so hence we were all having the conversation .

I thought the wedding of Beatrice was perfect. Just a photo or two, minimal guests, no fanfare, just as it should be for all of them, private. Of course it was low key because of Randy Andy and Covid. Still.....

That was Eugenie, crepesncream, and rather than London it's Windsor the carriage drove through since that's where the wedding was

Agree with you about the extra costs though, but I suspect it was Andrew driving that, as in "My daughters are just as important as your sons"

Andrew kicked up a huge fuss about his daughters losing their protection officers didn't he. With a republic we'd have none of that nonsense.

You cannot just simply pass legislation to disassemble a thousand yrs or more of fundamental institutions that combine the civil service, the police, the judiciary, and the military, these all fall under the concept of Impartial Crown. Our nation's currency is symbolically overseen by the Crown.

This is the explicit social contract between the common people and those with the power to rule, our governance is buffered by the symbiotic relationship between parliament and the Crown. In context comparatively, with the rest of the world, it has remarkable longevity.

27% of constitutional monarchies are full democracies. Only 6.7% of republics are full democracies.
Just to reiterate, removing the Monarchy would need a complete overhaul of the wider Government, a complete restructuring of Parliament, the Judiciary, and the executive.
It's never going to happen.

Of course it would need a complete overhaul of the wider government - that's a given. Just because it's complicated doesn't mean it can't and won't happen. That level of resistance to change would have kept us in the dark ages . We're perfectly capable of doing it - those who benefit from the status quo are the ones that push the thinking that it's not possible.

Your statistics are utterly meaningless - so what? Doesn't mean that a UK republic wouldn't be a full democracy. Stats for stats sake doesn't make an argument.

@RogueBorg do you have the better evidence ? But if 3 million visit thats a lot still

Regarding the Civil Service, in what ways is the Crown not substitutable by another institution by the stroke of a pen? In what ways does the Crown act that would make a paper exercise impracticable?

@worriedatthistime I shared some evidence with you . But did you ask those 3 million people if they wouldn't come if we didn't have a monarchy? That's the stat you want. If we overhauled our democracy and established a new way of working, I would wager my house that the impact on tourism would be zero, if not actually positive as we could open up far more of the royal residences to be fully functioning museums which would encourage more visitors.

@RogueBorg so only your stats matter is what your saying
It isn't happening anytime soon so pointless arguing anyway not one single party is campaigning for this

Where did I say only my stats matter? I said you did need stats that back up your argument and you didn’t provide any 😊.

No need to join in the discussion if you think it’s pointless. 🤷‍♀️

@RogueBorg legoland is always packed I have never seen it not packed
Still doesn't take away that millions watched the wedding though does it and not just in the uk

I used to have a season pass - went every week. I’ve never ever seen it as busy as it was on that day. It was an anecdote - I didn’t say it proved that lots of people didn’t watch it, just gives a lie to the narrative that “everyone” cares 😊.

@RogueBorg you didn't say it to me but you did another poster
I can choose to join in or not I don't need your permission thats for sure
Just because i don't agree with you and you like facts and the facts are this isn't happening anytime soon
Just because a load of middle class people on mumsnet may want it too, funny how many say share the wealth as well yet probably don't share with people who have less than them or think sticking a packet if cereal in the food collection counts

@RogueBorg funny that im sure it was recorded as there busiest day it was a weekend i have never known legoland not busy on a weekend
Nobody said everybody cared but a fair few do and a fair few don't care one way or the other as it has no real impact on their day to day life

@worriedatthistime I’m not giving you permission - I just said you didn’t need to join in if you thought it was pointless. You’re very angry about something you don’t care about 🤷‍♀️.

You make an awful lot of assumptions about me and my financial situation. No idea why 🤷‍♀️.

27% of constitutional monarchies are full democracies. Only 6.7% of republics are full democracies.

78.234% of statistics are made up on the spot.

@RogueBorg is that stats all foreigb tourists or incl uk seeing as musuems are often free
Also not everyone is recorded who visits buckingham palace or windsor as not all do the paid parts
As you frequent legoland you must live close enough to understand how busy windsor gets and that you have to phyisically pay or be counted

@RogueBorg wasn't your financial position i was on about maybe lets not assume al about you
I never said whether i cared but about many around ne

@worriedatthistime yep I live very close. We’re frequent visitors and I’m a republican. I’ve never once bumped into Liz going into Costa so I guess people visit for other reasons other than for a bit of forelock tugging . The castle will remain to be looked at with or without the family that currently lives there.

@RogueBorg and thats your opinion we don't all have to share it or agree with it
And like i said its a bit if a mute point as nothing is changing soon thats for sure as there is no real shout for it from politicians or the general public

@RogueBorg apart from the castle and legoland not much else worth visiting Windsor for

@worriedatthistime of course it’s my opinion.

There’s the great park - it’s beautiful. That’s why we go.

@RogueBorg who maintains the park ? And why is it there

Yep the visitor numbers to Windsor are definitely a moot point - how many visitors go there shouldn’t affect any future decisions about how our democracy is shaped .

@RogueBorg who owns and manages it ?