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If 'commoners' can marry into the royal family - why have a 'royal' family -

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HacketteofHacks · 21/03/2022 12:03

I totally respect the Queen and think she's been largely a force for good...
But at work we were talking about the tour that's on now.. my boss pointed out the the definition of a royal family was that its lineage is 'predetermined by God'.
Well that is archaic in itself - my boss (who is no royalist) the. pointed out that once members of a royal family marry commoners they lose this 'untouchable special-Ness'.
I think he had a good point...
He's from Jamaica so hence we were all having the conversation .

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RogueBorg · 23/03/2022 15:01

I’m not sure how that’s relevant?

Zilla1 · 23/03/2022 15:40

I'm convinced. Constitution Monarchy is not enough. Glorious Revolution and before that, Cromwell was where it all went wrong. If the RF provide a positive benefit compared with a Republic then we need to double-down/level up and restore an absolute monarchy. Droit de Signeur? might suit some of the members of the RF but I think that was further back. Imagine the boost to tourist numbers with an absolute Monarchy? We might get another million or two.

If only Warwick Castle was a current Royal Residence then Warwick would have some visitors turn up.

How on earth do the poor Irish cope without a monarchy? They must have politicians as presidents. Or lawyers. Or worse. I expect they'll want to rejoin. Tally Ho!

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2022 16:00

@Puzzledandpissedoff

That was Eugenie, crepesncream, and rather than London it's Windsor the carriage drove through since that's where the wedding was

Agree with you about the extra costs though, but I suspect it was Andrew driving that, as in "My daughters are just as important as your sons"

That was my impression too. Of course it was just after the Sussex wedding so he was hellbent on showing his branch of the family was oh so important too.
Zilla1 · 23/03/2022 16:26

Droit de Seigneur might have saved the RF £12m recently too? Not that there was anything to it, I expect a settlement was just to protect the Platinum Jubilee. So for the good of everyone, I suppose. Almost like giving back.

Quincunx · 23/03/2022 16:45

@DGRossetti

27% of constitutional monarchies are full democracies. Only 6.7% of republics are full democracies.

78.234% of statistics are made up on the spot.

Here's a few more I made up earlier

0% of the royal residences will be welcoming war refugees
Selling 80% of Kate's wardrobe on Vinted would raise enough money to keep a normal family of 5 for 15+ years
Prince Charles is qualified to speak about 0.05% of the things he speaks about
The RF is 100% pointless

DGRossetti · 23/03/2022 16:55

@Quincunx

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Myee · 23/03/2022 17:07

How much did we miss their presence during the almost two years of Covid lockdowns and restrictions? Not a bit I would guess. Shows how little they actually do.

@Quincunx
Brilliant!

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 23/03/2022 17:41

@RogueBorg

Of course it would need a complete overhaul of the wider government - that's a given. Just because it's complicated doesn't mean it can't and won't happen. That level of resistance to change would have kept us in the dark ages Hmm. We're perfectly capable of doing it - those who benefit from the status quo are the ones that push the thinking that it's not possible.

Your statistics are utterly meaningless - so what? Doesn't mean that a UK republic wouldn't be a full democracy. Stats for stats sake doesn't make an argument.

The roots of this type of governance are what brought this poxy little maritime island out of the dark ages. Even the English language was deliberately engineered as a homogenous tool. And that took root over a thousand yrs ago.

The main point is, rebirthing a nation and the concept of the nation-state, the symbolism isn't doable. All the other nation-states have always been in a state of flux. Our republican cousins with their weak democracies have been the main precursors to huge wars. Because Republican democracies have weak identities, they're always under attack either internally or by others.
I'm sorry, that's the clearest end-of ever.

What status quo?

Zilla1 · 23/03/2022 17:49

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...

Blossomtoes · 23/03/2022 17:51

@Zilla1

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...
Oooh I know this one - ovaries.
BookkeeperBobby · 23/03/2022 17:53

Pizza 🍕?

Quincunx · 23/03/2022 17:58

@Zilla1

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...
HEBEPHILIA.
Hrpuffnstuff1 · 23/03/2022 18:09

99% of republicans are??
😂😂

RoseAndRose · 23/03/2022 20:21

@Zilla1

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...
Which HRH??
Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/03/2022 20:43

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...

An unfortunate interest in befriending paedophiles?

No, hang on - that's fifty per cent of them ...

CathyorClaire · 23/03/2022 21:28

How much did we miss their presence during the almost two years of Covid lockdowns and restrictions? Not a bit I would guess. Shows how little they actually do

TBF it's not just Covid that's shown them up.

A quick squiz at even a month's worth of Court Circular 'engagements' will soon reveal the acres of empty space that constitutes their diaries.

CathyorClaire · 23/03/2022 21:30

@Zilla1

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...
Sold honours for cash and had their fence fallen on their sword yet again?
RoseAndRose · 23/03/2022 21:31

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Statistics are really important. 25% of HRH's children have ...

An unfortunate interest in befriending paedophiles?

No, hang on - that's fifty per cent of them ...

So the HRH is the late Duke of Edinburgh?
Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/03/2022 21:35

So the HRH is the late Duke of Edinburgh?

I assumed so, yes - though someone please correct me if I'm wrong, since "HRH" is sometimes used when folk mean "her majesty"

Anyway they're all his kids too, so the percentage still applies Wink

RoseAndRose · 23/03/2022 21:45

The Queen hasn't been HRH since Feb 1952

She's HM

Zilla1 · 23/03/2022 21:59

FWIW and to avoid derailing the minor diversion, I meath HM and had forgot she became HM though I'm grateful for the suggestion of HRH Prince Philip as a fallback. Perhaps let's not discuss if that makes the stats 33.3% or 0%....

The mathematician in me would suggest that it would mean HM as it would need a HRH with 4 or 8 or 12 children to give a possibility of a 25% as an option. Are there other HRH's with 4/8/12 children?

Zilla1 · 23/03/2022 22:04

I think I'm uncharitable and angrier than normal after considering the effects of the absence of help in the Chancellor's statement today on patients whom I know were already desperate. If I were sensible, I'd have realised it might be an idea to step back from the advice and the occasional whimsy and distractions I post on MN.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/03/2022 22:13

Are there other HRH's with 4/8/12 children?

Well, Crown Prince Pavlos of Greece and his wife Marie-Chantal have five, but since the throne no longer exists I don't know if they called themselves HRH any more

Quincunx · 24/03/2022 09:09

@Hrpuffnstuff1

99% of republicans are?? 😂😂
...cringing at Wills grovelling in Jamaica in a desperate bid to preserve his ill-gotten fortune.
Blossomtoes · 24/03/2022 10:46

cringing at Wills grovelling in Jamaica in a desperate bid to preserve his ill-gotten fortune

What jurisdiction does Jamaica have over his fortune? .

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