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Harry suing the home office

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TooEarlyForMe · 18/03/2022 15:11

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

The British public

Thanks Harry.

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TatianaBis · 19/03/2022 20:41

Would they? That went well for his father.

Assuming he wasn't in a relationship with a mistress he had no intention of giving up, sure. That was not likely to have gone well for his father or anyone.

Cameleongirl · 19/03/2022 21:27

I genuinely don't understand why he doesn't retrain in a different profession and start a new, low-profile career over here in the US?

I live in the US and can honestly say that if he didn't keep going to high profile events, the majority of people wouldn't recognize him, especially after a few years. He could legally change his name (not sure how it works with surnames for royals but he could be Harry Smith!), apply for American citizenship when he's eligible in a few years, and travel to the UK under his new name. No reason why his children couldn't have a new surname either.

As people keep saying, he's targeted because of who he is. He could stop being the Duke of Sussex if he really wanted to and surely interest would wane in a few years? Why bother with expensive court cases, start behaving like Joe Ordinary instead.

TatianaBis · 19/03/2022 22:17

I genuinely don't understand why he doesn't retrain in a different profession and start a new, low-profile career over here in the US?

I don’t either. But I don’t care enough to spend time considering it.

It may be the same problem Kate had that the attention he garners and the security required makes a lot of ordinary jobs problematic.

But yeah, in principle if he knuckled down, got a job and cracked on I think he’d probably get more respect.

Interest in him will never wane though, so obsessed with the monarchy are the British. Once Charles is king he will be the son of the king of England and he will always be Princess Diana’s son. It’s not like being Zara or one of the other minor royals that no-one gives a shit about.

Lurking9to5 · 19/03/2022 22:21

He could do a Harry's boot camp for Montecito's plumpest residents. he came to life doing that assault course with james corden, he was really throwing himself at it and trying to motivate JC to give it some effort. He'd be really good at that and his military trained could be called upon in terms of training and fitness which would be far less problematic all around.

Blossomtoes · 19/03/2022 22:32

Interest in him will never wane though, so obsessed with the monarchy are the British

Interest waned pretty fast in the Duke of Windsor and he’d actually been King. He’s the least popular member of the royal family apart from Andrew, he’s struggling to maintain any interest in him. We’re all pretty sick of him.

lightisnotwhite · 19/03/2022 22:43

@Blossomtoes

Interest in him will never wane though, so obsessed with the monarchy are the British

Interest waned pretty fast in the Duke of Windsor and he’d actually been King. He’s the least popular member of the royal family apart from Andrew, he’s struggling to maintain any interest in him. We’re all pretty sick of him.

Agreed.

Having an opinion on him and his actions is different to actively seeking out stories about him, which would denote obsession.
If he didn’t keep sticking his head above the parapet interest would be minimal. It’s not like he’s written best selling songs or been in films that people remember. He’s done nothing of any interest to the public other than had a televised wedding.

TooEarlyForMe · 19/03/2022 22:50

So much hatred because one man married a ‘loud black girl

Megan being 'black' (or 'loud' - is she loud?) has nothing to do with why I find her incredibly unlikeable and annoying. I find her unlikeable and annoying because she lies a lot, dissed the royal family publicly, dissed her own family publicly, is attention seeking, spoilt and a hypocrite.

I find Harry annoying for pretty similar reasons (ie. He has dissed his own family in public, says he wants privacy but is constantly seeking to be in the media, and is v v out of touch with the British public (no Harry, we can't all afford or access 4 years of therapy, or give up our jobs, or contribute to funding your security when you don't even give a bleep about the British public).

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StartupRepair · 19/03/2022 22:53

I think he would be a good personal trainer.

TatianaBis · 19/03/2022 22:59

@Blossomtoes

Interest in him will never wane though, so obsessed with the monarchy are the British

Interest waned pretty fast in the Duke of Windsor and he’d actually been King. He’s the least popular member of the royal family apart from Andrew, he’s struggling to maintain any interest in him. We’re all pretty sick of him.

No it didn’t people are still writing books and making films about him now.

Why not try be less preoccupied with them: I don’t pay them any attention thus I don’t get sick of them.

TatianaBis · 19/03/2022 23:02

Which is not to say I wouldn’t love all the royals to bugger off.

Cameleongirl · 19/03/2022 23:15

I agree that he'd make a good personal trainer!

Re. Attention and security. If he gave up the Duke of Sussex title and got on with a relatively (albeit more luxurious than most) life, though, people would start to forget and why would anyone bother targeting a personal trainer who keeps out of the public eye? Yes, there'd be a flurry of interest when William becomes king, but not much otherwise.

The Duke of Windsor remained a duke and took on the role of a socialite, as far as I understand it, he didn't exactly try to be ignored.

Isausernameavailable · 20/03/2022 00:26

He's an entitled little twat

Scoobydoobywho · 20/03/2022 00:35

Yes Harry is probably more in need than the general public. But has he ever thought to keep schtum, instead of riling up some people with some of the things that have been said.

StartupRepair · 20/03/2022 02:30

Is he suing on the grounds that the committee is not competent to assess his security or is he saying there is someone on the committee actively working against his interests?
I fear that the Queen may sadly die before she sees him or his family again. This will further stoke Harry's trauma, grief and sense of grievance and the cycle will continue.

mpsw · 20/03/2022 06:13

He's not suing.

He's seeking a judicial review in to the decision making process,

That won't remake the decision, but will look at whether RAVEC had the power to make decisions of this sort, whether it is fit for purpose in terms of things like appropriate membership, does it receive the right information in a timely fashion, do the procedures mean the information is properly considered (especially if classified and therefore cannot be taken away from secure systems - inc how did that work during covid), anything else about the committee and its procedures.

We don't yet know how much will need to be in camera, because it will include material from the security service on threats, and how that information is handled.

The JR will decide if existing processes are fit for purpose and are being properly applied. If not, then changes must be made and and decisions taken during a period when there were identified weaknesses may have to be re-considered my new fit-for-purpose decision-making body.

That won't be in time for the Service of Thanksgiving on 20/93, and probably not for any of the summerJubilee events.

What I can't remember is the outcome of the first stage of this - the court action that formally commissions the JR and sets its terms of reference. I'd seem that it had started, but has that partncincluded?

mpsw · 20/03/2022 06:14

Sorry - bad typing.

Date should be 29/03

Billandben444 · 20/03/2022 06:27

Even though Harry was told he couldn't be half-in-and-half-out, I think he presumed he could flit from California to London whenever he wanted and that his old secure lifestyle would have been waiting for him. The pandemic stopped this from happening and, as the months ticked by, his relevance in the UK and within his family diminished, which has left him as a bit of an outcast. Constantly bridling at press articles and unwelcome decisions gives him a (very small) foothold in his old life.

Peaseblossum22 · 20/03/2022 06:30

This whole process is a massive waste of taxpayers money .

Blossomtoes · 20/03/2022 08:10

No it didn’t people are still writing books and making films about him now.

The odd book, there’s been a couple of films - in 86 years. He ended his life in total obscurity in Paris where even his neighbours didn’t know who he was.

Why not try be less preoccupied with them: I don’t pay them any attention thus I don’t get sick of them

Yet here you are, pontificating on a thread about them. 🤷‍♀️ All most of us want is for Harry to pipe down and get on with the life he’s chosen.

pleasehelpwi3 · 20/03/2022 08:30

@Peaseblossum22

This whole process is a massive waste of taxpayers money .
Just like paying for the whole of the monarchy.
TatianaBis · 20/03/2022 09:36

@Blossomtoes there’s a lot more than the ‘odd’ book. It’s not as if they’ve been forgotten.

Yet here you are, pontificating on a thread about them. All most of us want is for Harry to pipe down and get on with the life he’s chosen

Sure, I can speculate, but I don’t care what he does or says because I don’t bother reading about him. If you and all the other royal obsessives did the same you might whine less.

Blossomtoes · 20/03/2022 09:41

I don’t bother reading about him.

You’re doing it right now. 😂

TatianaBis · 20/03/2022 09:45

No I’m not I’m talking to a royalist twit online. I’m more happy to share my opinion that the royal family should be sacked - what they do on a daily basis I couldn’t give a fuck.