Harry suing the home office

[TooEarlyForMe]

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

The British public

Thanks Harry.

I think he would be better off getting a job in the US or UK and probably happier too.

Things like not showing the UK the first baby when they left hospital really did breach the UK compact between royalty and state where we are allowed sight on the basis we then avoid intrusive photos -it is a long worked out thing that works very well on the whole. Then Harry should have had his lawyers check what was said on the Oprah interview before it went out (as some things said were not correct such as that they married 3 days before the royal wedding which was simply untrue and provably so - checking before it went out would have meant that bit which was not correct could have been removed).

(Seeking judicial review is "suing". All suing means is you issue a court claim to start any kind of legal action whether breach of copyright, negligence, judicial review etc".

I may be a twit - haven’t heard that for years - but I’m no royalist. 😂

Keep telling yourself that.

@Peaseblossum22

This whole process is a massive waste of taxpayers money .

Judicial Review is an important protection for the citizen against the state. Whatever I might think of the merits of his application, he's not wrong to use it.

Things like not showing the UK the first baby when they left hospital really did breach the UK compact between royalty and state where we are allowed sight on the basis we then avoid intrusive photos -it is a long worked out thing that works very well on the whole

It was new creation in the 1980s - the only newly-delivered mothers who have done that are the Princess of Wales, the Duchess of York and the Duchess of Cambridge. Now I can see why Duchess of Sussex might fit that pattern (heir and next spare in each generation), but it's not an established tradition, nor is it a make-or-break part of the 'deal' releasing photos just after would have been fine, and for the baby born in UK they did more and had a photocall (though we saw more of the blanket than of the baby!)

As they were in the throes of deciding their future by that point, I expect the nature of the 'deal' was a consideration, and was part of the rules they did not want to live by.

Even though Harry was told he couldn't be half-in-and-half-out, I think he presumed he could flit from California to London whenever he wanted and that his old secure lifestyle would have been waiting for him

That's how it appeared, yes

What's often ignored, among the claims that "they had no choice but to leave because of the racism", is that much of Harry's vitriol only started when he found he wouldn't get what he wanted ... and what's never been explained is why he'd even want to be "half in half out" if so many were hateful

It's all been mentioned countless times, but seems to be yet more more things about which Harry's fans have nothing to say

I think Princess Anne was actually the first to "appear on the steps with the baby", EdithWeston?

It's never bothered me personally; after all it's their child and surely up to them to decide - and that's without the issue of whether they'd even want to scrub up for a public appearance at such a time

@wordler opening the sewage works in Bognor is LITERALLY a shitty bit!

Judicial Review is an important protection for the citizen against the state. Whatever I might think of the merits of his application, he's not wrong to use it.

I agree it’s extremely valuable and Raab’s reported efforts to remove it should be strongly resisted. However in this case I do think it’s a waste if taxpayers money , there is no evidence that there is a systemic problem, the only ‘problem’ is that a rich man has not got his own way . He has a right to bring the case but I also have a right to say that, in my opinion, it’s inappropriate and wasteful.

A lot of people don't seem to realise that there is a mechanism for working out how much security costs. Blair has security (because he was PM) and reimbursed the tax payer when he takes that security on personal holidays. Ex PMs are entitled to taxpayer security when they are working (speeches about when they were PM etc) but not for leisure (holiday) I suspect that Harry thinks he should be allowed to pay when he's in the Uk for leisure eg to film Netflix content or go on a book tour and would then go for IPP status so that he doesn't pay for security anywhere.

Harry is a target like the rest of his family but there's no evidence that his risk is higher and he's getting FBI briefings in the US. He has to trust the UK intelligence services in the same way that he trusts the US ones and I doubt that he's being kept from threats when he's on UK soil.

I think the story that he was chased by paparazzi last time he was in the UK is inaccurate. No way would there be no video footage in London during the middle of the afternoon in the most CCTV per capita city outside China.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think Princess Anne was actually the first to "appear on the steps with the baby", EdithWeston?

It's never bothered me personally; after all it's their child and surely up to them to decide - and that's without the issue of whether they'd even want to scrub up for a public appearance at such a time

I always remember my mother saying she thought they shouldn't do it. I asked why, I think it was Diana with William at the time. My mum said it is OK for her, she's had a nice rest in a private room, she's going home to servants to do everything for her, she's probably had someone to do her hair and make up and there will be men looking at that and thinking their wife should be able to walk out of hospital looking fine when in reality she's exhausted, been in a noisy ward, going home to look after other kids.

I hadn't thought of it like that but I could see her point.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Even though Harry was told he couldn't be half-in-and-half-out, I think he presumed he could flit from California to London whenever he wanted and that his old secure lifestyle would have been waiting for him

That's how it appeared, yes

What's often ignored, among the claims that "they had no choice but to leave because of the racism", is that much of Harry's vitriol only started when he found he wouldn't get what he wanted ... and what's never been explained is why he'd even want to be "half in half out" if so many were hateful

It's all been mentioned countless times, but seems to be yet more more things about which Harry's fans have nothing to say

I was watching Louis Theroux on iplayer last night. Honestly I think the racism problem is probably worse in the US. What young people were spouting was horrible and if challenged they lost it, swearing and shouting.

I found it really depressing.

Nobody batted an eyelid when Eugenie and Beatrice didn't do the hospital steps photo.

I think the problem with Harry is that he wants the best of both worlds- 24/7 security like his brother but the ability to opt out the boring bits of being a senior working royal like announcing your child's birth when it happens. Considering his friendship with Eugenie, it would have made sense for him to stand back and align himself with her life more than his brother's so that he had more control.

What's often ignored, among the claims that "they had no choice but to leave because of the racism", is that much of Harry's vitriol only started when he found he wouldn't get what he wanted ... and what's never been explained is why he'd even want to be "half in half out" if so many were hateful

Very succinctly put.

As for Harry getting a job (by which I assume is meant working regular hours for a steady income) there aren't many if any that would pay what must be eye-watering bills on the monstrous money-pit he's saddled himself with for any length of time.

He had all the tools available to him to live a semi-retired,very comfortable life in relative obscurity but was too dim and arrogant to appreciate or consider it.

Honestly I really think that if they had just said , we feel really uncomfortable with the steps thing so we are going to issue some pictures later most people would have been fine with it . In fact a lot of women would have cheered for all the reasons set out by a previous poster . But they didn’t do that, they created some ridiculous made up smoke and mirrors story that she had gone in to Labour when in fact she had had the baby already . Then instead of just having the christening and not telling anyone they made a huge drama about how they were having a christening but no one could know who was coming and there mustn’t be any photos etc etc . Honestly what a ridiculous drama about nothing .

ancientgran my Nan said exactly the same when Diana came out after a day with William. She also said it was ok for her because Buck House had an operating theatre should she need it but that some poor cow would be going home to mind other kids, cook dinner and wait on her husband hand and foot.

Harry is a target like the rest of his family but there's no evidence that his risk is higher

Put simply, we'll never know because the security services rightly don't discuss the details.
So all we have is Harry claiming he's under threat, which isn't the same as him actually being so - especially remembering various other claims which have proved less than accurate

Granted he may not trust those services, though whether that's justified or a projection from his own behaviour I couldn't say, but if he really thinks they'd deliberately see him harmed then let him say so

If it's the same one, I also saw the Louis Theroux thong ancientgran - and yes, it was horrible.
But on here it's a bit of a trope that the US is a racist, uncivilised hellhole, so why H&M were so attracted to it is yet another thing left unaddressed

And BTW your mum sounds a very wise lady

@Peaseblossum22

Honestly I really think that if they had just said , we feel really uncomfortable with the steps thing so we are going to issue some pictures later most people would have been fine with it . In fact a lot of women would have cheered for all the reasons set out by a previous poster . But they didn’t do that, they created some ridiculous made up smoke and mirrors story that she had gone in to Labour when in fact she had had the baby already . Then instead of just having the christening and not telling anyone they made a huge drama about how they were having a christening but no one could know who was coming and there mustn’t be any photos etc etc . Honestly what a ridiculous drama about nothing .

I agree with this, but will also add that smoke and mirrors thing really pissed people off. No baby on steps - who cares ... but actively lying, misinformation and stirring up a hornets nest about crap like who the godparents are is just childish idiotic games - grow up! But I suspect it's just fodder to keep them in the news

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I think Princess Anne was actually the first to "appear on the steps with the baby", EdithWeston?

It's never bothered me personally; after all it's their child and surely up to them to decide - and that's without the issue of whether they'd even want to scrub up for a public appearance at such a time

Don't think so.

She was the first Royal that close to the throne to have her babies in hospital, rather than at home. But she didn't do a photocall as such. There were press as she left, but she got straight in to a car and baby Peter was carried out by a nurse. First pix released was when he was about a month old.

Okay, it looks like I was wrong about the royal baby on the steps of hospital tradition - I just remembered it from the past when I was having my babies but may be it is just a recently thing and only for the heir, not the spare etc. Anyway it does seem they have gone out of their way to annoy the British public and succeeded.

The security detail was interesting as no citizen decides what police protection will be given even if they offer to pay for it. In other words the British police force is not something you pay to hire.

Here we go again - a more suing just reported on Twitter.

“ The Duke of Sussex's lawyers said in a new libel lawsuit that the Mail on Sunday was responsible for "distortion and misrepresentation of the facts".

His full time job now is firing off lawsuits. He must trawl through the DM every day. What a way to spend your life. Why doesn’t he just ignore it and get on with his life?

Well, I doubt he's doing it to fund their lifestyle ... didn't his wife get just £1 compensation for the "breach of privacy" thing?

@ NellGwynne

I agree . I did wonder - and said it on a thread- what would come out of California during W and C’s tour . Oh well they are nothing if not predictable!