Harry suing the home office

[TooEarlyForMe]

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

The British public

Thanks Harry.

‘ This also. Disgraceful. Yes, Diana wasn't wearing a seatbelt but it's also doubtful that her driver would ordinarily drive a couple on date away from a venue at such a 'wreckless' manner if they weren't being pursued by paparazzi.’

The driver was intoxicated therefore his judgement was impaired & wreckless driving, poor judgement & high risk behaviours is congruent with driving under the influence of alcohol.

That evening, a series of poor decisions were made by people, including Diana, that lead to the crash. Papps or not, the risks associated with that journey were already raised.

As time goes by, the drama surrounding Diana’s life & her iconic status fades. She died without fulfilling her potential & that is sad about anyone who dies young. But the nation has passed through death of Diana, the grief has been felt & life goes on.

Harry uses knee-jerk tactics about Diana’s death to evoke sympathy for him & crave our indulgence, but people see through this. The more he does, the less people want him.

Had he & Meghan stepped away from the RF, maybe gone to Africa to work on sustainable developments, worked with purpose to make a difference, then he’d be greatly admired & welcomed home. If only…

[quote Migrainesbythedozen]@Blossomtoes As a black woman, putting aside how deeply and utterly offensive your minimising what Meghan went through - thus I myself deserve an apology from you, let alone Meghan - when you minimise the affect of racist abuse, you are, in affect, legitimising racism. I owe you no apology, however the fact you cannot see just how hurtful and offensive your 'so what?' belittling is, I won't wait for the apology you owe me as that would suggest a self awareness on your part.[/quote]
This thread is about Harry, not his wife whom I never mentioned. You and only you have turned this into a racial issue. You are the first person on this thread to mention race.

If he's legally entitled to the money then he should be paid it.

Maybe we could just abolish the whole monarchy? Problem solved? Then Harry will be entitled to zero, just like the rest of them.

I think this sort of action will make the abolition of the monarchy much more likely.

There are children in this country routinely going hungry, and increasingly who will be living in cold homes as their parents won't be able to afford to heat their homes.

We have a crisis of poverty. People, children, disabled people, who are suffering real harm because they simply don't have enough food, enough money to heat their homes, enough money to pay their rent, so many things.

Harry has gone out of his way to court publicity, which increases his risks. He has a choice, and he's not chosen a quiet life and actions which would reduce his risk.

They have oodles of money by most standards, the risks are very much a 'what if'. If it's too risky to be in the UK, he can stay in the US.

@OpheliaThrupps

If he's legally entitled to the money then he should be paid it.

What money?

Maybe we could just abolish the whole monarchy? Problem solved? Then Harry will be entitled to zero, just like the rest of them.

Of course.

No more sitting round splitting hairs and spitting feathers over who's entitled to what cash.

Harry should absolutely be entitled to proper protection when necessary (as judged by the security services, not whenever he wants). And he shouldn’t have to pay for it - uk government is responsible for ensuring the safety of citizens and visitors as far as reasonably practicable.

He has been offered that, in addition to full royal security when staying with his father, grandmother or brother. He can also hire his own personal security when full state security isn’t needed.

@Blossomtoes I think you're being disingenuous. The reason Harry (and Meghan) are being slammed is because they stood up to the racism against Meghan both in and out of the Royal family. That is when people took against the couple, after the Oprah interview they felt forced to do, that is why they fled the UK, that is why he is after protection when he goes back to the UK. Hence what this thread is about.

Are the children due to come over too? If so, they need the protection. With the world's gutter paps going after them, fuck that for a game of soldiers.

@TatianaBis

Maybe we could just abolish the whole monarchy? Problem solved? Then Harry will be entitled to zero, just like the rest of them.

Of course.

No more sitting round splitting hairs and spitting feathers over who's entitled to what cash.

Splitting heirs

Harry is super rich, he doesn't live in the UK, he doesn't HAVE to visit the UK if he feels more at risk here (why on earth would he, if he feels this way?). His family are also super rich, they can visit him.

It's all very have his cake and eat it Marie Antoinette-ish.

There are people in this country deciding whether to pay for electricity of feed their kids.

There are victims of crime who can't get a policeman to show up.

Even the bloody lockdown parties seem more justifiable than this (and to be clear they are totally unjustifiable).

Personally I think he should just not visit the UK, he seems to hate it so why bother?

@UniversalAunt

If he stays with Dad when he’s over here, then he’s covered by that security detail.

If he’s hanging out with Grandma at her house, he’s covered by her security detail.

What Harry is looking for is a forever diplomatic pass to have the same level of specialised armed security as the Queen (& the official line of succession), working royals on the job & visiting heads of state whenever he comes to this country for personal or his own business.

Because the specialist security is categorised as diplomatic & reciprocal, he gets the same level of security in other countries.

All at his convenience for him & his business ventures, & all at UK or the host nation’s taxpayer expense.

The court case has been rumbling along for some time. Harry was advised about security arrangements should he step back from working royal duties & he signed on the line.

He could take up his father’s kind offer of digs for his stay over, but it might be a bit tricky to film for his Netflix & other content commitments.

I would imagine Q,PC,PW will not be putting him and his family up - as even making them sign a NDA wouldn’t stop them Blogging from your toilet on ranting on twitter if you didn’t get the treatment you wanted.

Imagine it they are staying with W and K goes shopping but M can’t go as K doesn’t want her or M doesn’t like the security details etc anyways they are left alone unable to go out as they want to go off and film or blog etc and they can’t - so they start filming at BP
Or Highgrove for Netflix programme or an interview. Meanwhile W and all go off like rockets as Harry has been filing in the nursery or doing funs and games with the children numerous photos to sell to the press etc

If Harry was my brother I wouldn’t say a word to him
Ever ever again - Harry will just blab to the press.

Meghan said in interview Kate made her cry - K was unpleasant and apologised and z Meghan was so lovely that she forgave her. If I was late I’d never bloody talk to her again - what a bitch . Poor Kate can’t reply. She says - I didn’t make her cry - Meghan says she did etc and round it goes.

If anyone has got siblings who went up argue ‘tell on you’ imagine Evry time you disagree thinking that everything will be over the daily Mail in 4 hours

As I said on a recent thread in The Royal Family topic, I'm intensely relaxed about whether he ever comes here again or not.

He thinks it's too dangerous? Fine, stay away

@DesertStorms

Nothing at all to do with anything she says and does. Just the colour of her skin. Yawn.

Looks like racism to me

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@TheHoptimist

He wants protecting- you cant but the protection he needs in the UK.

He was born into a society base don a monarchy where his life was at risk from the moment her was born (relatives of his were killed in IRA bombings)

He is a victim. Just look at the images of the Queen, Charles, William and George. George has been born into a life that in other contexts might be called modern slavery. He has no choice in how he will live his adult life, like his father and grandfather.

Harry opted out of that life but he is still a massive terrorism target, and even more so at the moment. He didn't choose to be born and he didn't choose to be put at constant risk by his parents and grandparents.

This.

I think it suits him not to have the royal protection because then a good excuse not to come to UK ! Genuinely think he knows that he would get a very poor reception from family and the public. His ego would struggle at the boos from the public.

All the more reason for them to stay away @TheHoptimist

It's really fine if they don't visit, because it's too dangerous or too nasty or because they just don't want to.

Harry opted out of that life but he is still a massive terrorism target, and even more so at the moment

But again, if that's true, it's been made perfectly clear he'd get the protection - only he'd get it based on a professional assessment rather than just because he wants it

And since the professionals haven't yet lost a visiting bigwig, it's strange - or perhaps not - that nobody's explained why Harry still has a problem with this

It's getting boring. Harry chose to step down as a royal. He chose to go and live in the US. He chose to marry an American. As he was entitled to do.

But since he left, all we hear is him grumbling that he can't have the security normally provided for a royal, he can't have his honorary roles, he can't come to the UK.

If he spent less time in court and more time talking discreetly with his grandmother, I'm sure he would have found a compromise by now.

He asserts that he's a massive terrorist target, but itnseems RAVEC does not agree, and the public will never find out the detail (because it is, at least in part, intelligence-led, even the membership won't be publicly disclosed if it includes serving representatives of eg MI5)

The current position is that Harry's security needs will be decided ahead of each trip, in the light of threat assessments at the time. He isn't getting blanket assurance of protection on every trip. That decision seems to be the one he is seeking to take to judicial review. JR won't remake the individual decision, but it will be seeking to establish if RAVEC has the power to make such decisions, and that it is acting competently in its decision making process.

@MintJulia

It's getting boring. Harry chose to step down as a royal. He chose to go and live in the US. He chose to marry an American. As he was entitled to do.

But since he left, all we hear is him grumbling that he can't have the security normally provided for a royal, he can't have his honorary roles, he can't come to the UK.

If he spent less time in court and more time talking discreetly with his grandmother, I'm sure he would have found a compromise by now.

Agreed.

@Amlaughingsomuchnot

I think it suits him not to have the royal protection because then a good excuse not to come to UK ! Genuinely think he knows that he would get a very poor reception from family and the public. His ego would struggle at the boos from the public.

Personally I think they’re both using it as an excuse because they don’t want to come to the UK at all. I wish they’d be honest about it instead of all this whining.

Hi @wordler

"OpheliaThrupps
If he's legally entitled to the money then he should be paid it."

Wordler
What money?

The money referred to in @TooEarlyForMe's original question.

Does he realise where the money they would have to pay him if he was successful in suing, would come from?

I'm now convinced that it was William who made the comment about Archie's skin colour.

I think the RF are becoming increasingly unpopular. I think in the next few years we will as a nation start to seriously consider republicanism. The generation of people who are obsequious are fading out.