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This is just shocking (trigger warning -racism)

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iloverock · 15/03/2022 18:19

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/department-for-education-metropolitan-police-services-scotland-yard-hackney-b988292.html

Please read the formal review.

Essentially the teaching staff called the police because a black 15 year old girl smelt of cannabis. She was taken to a room and strip searched. She was on her period. Her mother wasn't notified. She was not given the opportunity for an appropriate adult to be present.

OP posts:
TotalRhubarb · 16/03/2022 11:58

@murality

What will it take for people to let go of the fairy tale that the Met police are all goodies?

I'm not sure many people do think the Met are all goodies. I think the outrage is that despite the reports, reviews, committees, it seems the Met can and will continue to be institutionally racist, and there's no power able or willing to stop them. It feels futile

THIS.
purpleboy · 16/03/2022 11:59

This is just appalling, I feel sickened at that poor girls treatment.
Who the fuck in their right mind though this was ok. Heads need to roll. P45s handed out. I wish there was a crowd funder for her, These wankers need to be taken down for what they did to her. Racist assholes.

I'm really sorry to all the posters on this thread who aren't surprised because this is your life and treatment like this is accepted as normal. It's appalling that society feel fit to treat you and your families in this way.Thanks

And to the few idiots trying to claim it isn't racism, JUST FUCK OFF.

52andblue · 16/03/2022 12:11

@WulyJmpr

Shocking and sickening. Is an innapropriate strip search on a child actually equivalent to an assault and/or child abuse? Have these police officers and teachers who were complicit in this been sacked?
Agreed. The title needs a 'Trigger Warning' for both Racism and sexual assault on a child imo as that's really what it was. Degrading in every way. Poor child (& her poor family tryingto help her pick up the pieces). Heads should roll in School & esp in the MET. But they won't, unfortunately.
canary1 · 16/03/2022 12:20

I wonder what we can do?
Complaints from lots of us to met police? we don’t know what school . Complaint to police that their officers have assaulted this poor child?

Maggiethecat · 16/03/2022 12:24

@givethatbabyaname

All these posters professing to be shocked, appalled, disgusted. Throwing hands up and asking why it doesn’t stop. When are people going to understand? How many incidents, reports, reviews, commissions will it take for people to understand that there are white people who actively believe in their superiority over black people, who gravitate towards or seek out like-minded people, who laugh at the law, get a kick out of flouting it while wearing a uniform and soaking up the respect and glory of upholding it, who enjoy and value their racist beliefs, and find employment and succour and friendship and affinity and people just like them in the Met where they are given power over these black people?

You ask how could those female officers not realise how awful this was? How could they not have remembered the procedures and policies they’re bound to follow? Of course they did. They wanted to humiliate and degrade. It’s normal to them to do so. You can’t accidentally strip search someone, especially not in this way. It may not have been premeditated, but by god it was deliberate. They are racist. The made a choice to do this to a black girl. They wanted to. It wasn’t a lapse or an oversight. Are YOU capable of such a lapse or oversight?

It’s always been this way. This is institutional racism. It’s not bad apples. The Met is the natural home for many, many white people who are racist. They’re surrounded by, supported, protected by people like them. It’s in the culture of the Met. That’s what institutional means.

What will it take for people to let go of the fairy tale that the Met police are all goodies?

Exactly this.

Bear in mind that this happened a few months after George Floyd and the spotlight on systemic racial discrimination, including this country.

The officers were deliberate and acted with impunity.

canary1 · 16/03/2022 12:32

Ok I have used the Met complaints and filled in a complaint, linking in the newspaper article.

It asks for times and days etc and I just gave the detail in that article.

It asks for what you would like outcome to be for the met officers and I ticked criminal Investigation, disciplinary procedures etc

It was straightforward to do.

If we think this is useful, if lots if complaints are sent to them, surely this can’t be swept under the carpet ( for the perpetrators)

Maggiethecat · 16/03/2022 12:36

This from staff:

“In hindsight I put my trust in the law; I know now that I need to understand the law better... For example, insisting on staying with a student at all times...”

Ask yourself the honest question - do you think you would have ensured her safeguarding and exercised your duty of care to her had she been white?

“This is the hardest thing that we’ve had to go through and for anyone to think that the school might be complicit is very stressful and difficult to deal with.

So, how stressful do you think this has been for the child?

And to avoid any doubt, you were enablers. And further, you enabled this shocking treatment because she was black. Deal with that.

carefullycourageous · 16/03/2022 12:37

If we think this is useful, if lots if complaints are sent to them, surely this can’t be swept under the carpet ( for the perpetrators)

It is always useful for people to complain and to protest IMO, but many things are swept under the carpet. I very much hope this incident will not be, and I continue to hope for change at the Met, but I am not holding my breath.

RedWingBoots · 16/03/2022 12:49

@purpleboy twitter.com/PortiaAntonia/status/1503828061992722434?t=hkRdliZux9F4P0uURSH3vQ&s=09

wants to fund the entire civil case herself against the police.

Unfortunately we don't know who the school is.

carefullycourageous · 16/03/2022 13:12

[quote RedWingBoots]@purpleboy twitter.com/PortiaAntonia/status/1503828061992722434?t=hkRdliZux9F4P0uURSH3vQ&s=09

wants to fund the entire civil case herself against the police.

Unfortunately we don't know who the school is.[/quote]
I hope there is a civil case.

emuloc · 16/03/2022 13:21

Thanks for that information @canary1. I will check this out. I did not know to do this. I have just been feeling helpless about it all. I do not want to see this just swept under the carpet. This is about a child who has been treated so poorly, and let down. An apology from the Met is not good enough.

purpleboy · 16/03/2022 13:30

[quote RedWingBoots]@purpleboy twitter.com/PortiaAntonia/status/1503828061992722434?t=hkRdliZux9F4P0uURSH3vQ&s=09

wants to fund the entire civil case herself against the police.

Unfortunately we don't know who the school is.[/quote]
@RedWingBoots This is amazing of her, I see many people in the comments offering to help also, but she wants to fund it herself.
I'll keep an eye on her page to see any updates.
As a pp said hopefully it won't be long until the name of the school is revealed, in this day and age nothing stays secret for long.

I have also put a complaint into the met.

We must as a country stand up for what is right, we cannot stay silent.
As a white person I want to say NOT IN MY NAME so we have to stand up against racism, it's not enough to just be appalled/shocked/disgusted.
We have to get out there and do something. We need them to know when something like this happens they should expect serious backlash from the public and hopefully prosecution.

If anyone else has any idea of how to support this please let me know.
I'm thinking of writing to my MP, not sure if that will do much but better than nothing.
What about Hackney council, or the MP for Hackney, does anyone know who that is?

Maggiethecat · 16/03/2022 13:30

From the report:

Child Q was later allowed to return home where she disclosed the events to her mother. Child Q described how she had been strip searched whilst menstruating. Due to the level of her distress, Child Q’s mother took her to the family GP who made a referral for psychological support. This led to contact with Hackney Children and Families Services (Hackney CFS).

Given these circumstances, a Rapid Review was initiated by the City & Hackney Safeguarding Children Partnership (CHSCP). The Rapid Review report was submitted to the Safeguarding Practice Review Panel in early 2021. As part of its response, the Panel made the following suggestion.

'We noted your decision to carry out a local child safeguarding practice review (LCSPR) but would encourage you to think carefully about whether one is necessary as we felt that this case was not notifiable and did not meet the criteria for an LCSPR.’

Despite this suggestion, a Local Child Safeguarding Practice Review (the review) was nonetheless initiated.

FGS - what is the threshold for review? another case of 'nothing to see here'

Maggiethecat · 16/03/2022 13:33

@purpleboy - think the MP is Diane Abbot

purpleboy · 16/03/2022 13:44

[quote Maggiethecat]@purpleboy - think the MP is Diane Abbot[/quote]
Great, thanks. Letter starting now, what about DOE? Is it worth a complain to them too?

LotusCheesecake · 16/03/2022 13:48

[quote RedWingBoots]@purpleboy twitter.com/PortiaAntonia/status/1503828061992722434?t=hkRdliZux9F4P0uURSH3vQ&s=09

wants to fund the entire civil case herself against the police.

Unfortunately we don't know who the school is.[/quote]
As I mentioned previously - I don't think there are that many options if the school was rated Ofsted good at the time of the incident (with effective safeguarding) and if they are an academy. I think it comes down to about 3 options and I'm sure (hope) we eventually work out which of the 3 it was

As I say - whether key staff are still at that school, who knows. Let's hope that the people involved remain accountable wherever they now are.

LotusCheesecake · 16/03/2022 13:48

Eventually find out, not work out

ScrollingLeaves · 16/03/2022 13:49

RedWingBoots

I also wonder if there was an element of resentment on somebody's part, that despite not only being black but black with dreadlocks, and possibly smoking or being around weed, this girl was doing so well at school. A desire to take her down a peg or two. If she was literally top of the class, maybe a racist teacher or teachers who consciously or unconsciously wanted a white pupil to have that honour.

From my own experience with certain teachers and other black people's this is more common than you realise.

@RedWingBoots I think you are right that a teacher or teachers may have taken against her:

Her aunt said that,

Child Q was doing exceptionally well at school, top of the class and getting praised every day for her good work and good conduct. She was even the prefect of her year at one stage. She was progressing well, a happy go lucky child, well loved, and cared for. Then for whatever reason, cracks crept in and she appeared to be singled out by the teachers repeatedly for various things.”

billy1966 · 16/03/2022 13:49

As for the teachers/nurse that would stand outside while a child was subjected to this assault, I have no words for such a dereliction of duty.

This was a state sponsored assault on that child IMO.

I sincerely hope the school is named and that everyone connected to this case is named too.

How those tea hers and nurse could have thought a child should be subjected to such an assault and it never occurred to one of them she was a minor in their care and her parents should have been contacted.

Truly unbelievable.
Absolutely a complete lack of any decency or moral compass.

RedWingBoots · 16/03/2022 13:50

Ms Abbott MP is fully aware of the situation - www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/16/police-strip-search-black-girl-school-east-london-racism-misogyny

As an MP she would see lots of shit.

MotherofTerriers · 16/03/2022 13:52

Whether the teaching staff who enabled the assault are still at the school or not, I wouldn't want them anywhere near a child of mine

RedWingBoots · 16/03/2022 13:52

Sorry @purpleboy Ms Abbott MP is aware and in my post above I put a link to a Guardian article.

TheseDaysGoBy · 16/03/2022 14:05

Horrific, poor girl. The embarrassment and trauma she will be feeling from this. Disgusting behaviour from the school and police. How was this allowed to happen to a CHILD?! It's very perverse.

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LotusCheesecake · 16/03/2022 14:12

@MotherofTerriers

Whether the teaching staff who enabled the assault are still at the school or not, I wouldn't want them anywhere near a child of mine
Exactly.... I guess I just meant that it may be the school concerned is not actually who needs to feel the consequences of this
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