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Child Neglect? Relative.

118 replies

CompressedNerve · 12/03/2022 18:58

My sister have two children; 13 and 11. Both will turn a year older this year. Only a few years ago was I allowed to visit my sister home, when I did I could see why she didn’t ever invite us around. It was trashed; you couldn’t see the floor in the kids room or hers, kitchen was an absolute tip with bags of things on the counter tops. It looks chaotic. The dining room table where I presume the kids did their homework was pack to the rafters with rubbish. I spend days hauling out the trash and organising the entire home into a liveable condition.

My mum used to have them on weekdays a few times a week and each time she would check their lunch boxes and they would both be untouched. They pretty much hadn’t eaten since breakfast and picked at their dinners. We mentioned this to her and she defended their actions.

Fast forward a few years, my mother and I noticed my nephew had lost a considerable amount of weight, he has no muscle tone in his arms, it’s actually skin and bone. Dark circles around his eyes and he hasn’t grown; still wearing the coat I brought him 4 Christmases ago, in addition, he still wears the same size school uniform since he started in year 7 (currently year 8). He avoids meals and becomes upset when it’s time to eat. We mentioned this to her and she said he eats at home, hasn’t taken us seriously. Recently he told her he has an eating disorder and he needs help, she lied and said she made an appointment with the doctor and recently admitted this indeed didn’t happen. He only eats about 2-3 mouthfuls a days and a few sips of water. He’s been experiencing severe anxiety. He has a phobia of food; thinks he’s going to be poisoned / allergic. Growing up she’s told us all he has allergies to certain foods, he actually isn’t any. Her and the dad (before they separated) use to tell him when he starts big school he’s going to have to get a taxi because he might get kidnapped. On top
Of this, they haven’t ever had any friends around it’s always been them. He has been having panic attacks he now avoids car journeys, new experiences, doesn’t like the bus so walks to school every morning (not close by), he had a breakdown yesterday asking why his life has to be this way. He’s very unwell, you can see it. My sister smokes cannabis everyday, she works in a school for a few hours in the afternoon and then goes to her second job 5pm to 11pm, which means the kids are alone that entire time. She doesn’t cook so pops back on her lunch at 9pm to bring their chips. They never have fruits or vegetables. I’ve now become aware of this and have had to start spending time there until 11pm to make sure they’re looked after. My niece said she doesn’t like to be home alone with her brother as she doesn’t know how to help him as he becomes emotional at times and grabs his throat. I have a 5 month old baby so going around there and staying until 11pm
Is difficult and beginning to impact my sons routine.

Im sure I’ve missed a lot of stuff. What should I do?

OP posts:
Babadook76 · 14/03/2022 17:04

@Quitelikeit

I have not read the full thread but if I was you I would have taken this child to A&E or at least to his GP.

I appreciate it is hard for you to take that step but do you want to be complicit in ongoing emotional abuse and neglect?

I truly hope you have contacted SW as these children deserve much much more.

Your sister also needs help and you cannot keep carrying her in this way.

At the least could you take the children for a few days until SW carry out inquiries?

I’m not sure kidnapping someone else’s child and taking them to a and e or a gp without the parents consent will be entirely helpful. Unless there’s already a court order in place or it’s been authorised by social services, then a gp has no right to medically examine a child without the parents consent, and you are not allowed to give consent to any treatment at a and e
CompressedNerve · 14/03/2022 17:28

@Babadook76 exactly this. Already looked into it and I won’t be able to consent to any treatment unless court ordered. It could only be a legal guardian. So there isn’t anything I can do. I’m working within the remit of the law and policy. Thanks for your understanding 🙏

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Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 14/03/2022 17:33

Can you apply to be their guardian in advance of any authorities involvement?

CompressedNerve · 14/03/2022 17:39

@Easterbunnyiswindowshopping all of this is done gradually via SS. My hands are tied at present. I do think it will pick up traction this week. I can’t just go and take them as that’s kidnapping.

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SpiderinaWingMirror · 14/03/2022 18:03

Measure and weigh him if you can. That will give you an idea.

CompressedNerve · 14/03/2022 18:07

@SpiderinaWingMirror I weighed his sister and she’s a stone under what she should be. I couldn’t weigh him as I didn’t want to cause him any upset as I knew it would play it on his mind and he would be going home.

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AddictedToOlives · 14/03/2022 18:15

@CompressedNerve
Just want to say well done, I think you have been absolutely amazing and done the right thing for your niece & nephew. Can’t have been easy

Really glad they (or he?) were already on radar from school as hopefully your sister won’t blame you too much for getting authorities involved - as it sounds like she is also going to need some help and support too. Of course the most important priority, for both you and everyone posting, is the children but she is not in a good place either?

Lovely to hear that both you and your mum and are ready to step up and help the kids, and want to wish you all well for the tough times ahead.

justasking111 · 14/03/2022 18:19

Rooting for you all. You're a good person

Vodkaandgingerale · 14/03/2022 18:39

Just wanted to praise you for all your efforts. Such a hard thing to deal with and you're a very loving auntie, especially as you have your own child who is so young.
I hope you get all the help you, the children and the wider family need.

Tiredlady80 · 14/03/2022 18:39

This is very sad, but mental health issues in teens are very difficult. I’m sure your sister is doing her best and needs support.
There is very little help out there for parents of children with eating disorders.

fluffy71 · 14/03/2022 22:03

Well done to you. You’re in a very difficult situation with a family of your own but are sticking your neck out to help these poor kids

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CompressedNerve · 16/03/2022 09:13

@RedHelenB believe it or not, I am allowed to have other thoughts at this time. Strange but true. Also, it’s a valid question as I was curious as to their reasons.

As to everyone else who contributed towards this post with advice or shared their feelings towards the situation. I can confirm that despite all agencies knowing about the situation that nothing has been done. Shameful!

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Babadook76 · 16/03/2022 09:30

Unfortunately some of these things take time op. While there’s clear neglect/abuse going on, it’s not as clear cut as a child coming in covered in bruises or something saying mummy hit me, where they can go in and remove them straight away. That’s not what they tend to do anyway. Hopefully there’ll be people behind the scenes gathering what evidence they can and working out the best way to approach this. With reports coming from both yourself and the school, this isn’t something they can ignore.

Jjjayfee · 16/03/2022 09:47

What a lovely aunt. A silly idea, and obviously no way will it help the whole situation, but would milkshakes be something he would drink. They could start basic, like McDonalds, then have lots of fruit added? The children obviously need a lot of help.

DSGR · 16/03/2022 09:52

This is a critical situation, possibly life threatening for your nephew. CAMHS isn’t enough. You need to speak to social services asap, invite them over to your home now. I would not be meeting these children go home, can you tell SS you will look after them for a while? Please contact social services asap and express all your concerns.

CompressedNerve · 16/03/2022 10:50

@Jjjayfee not a silly idea at all. I brought him some complan drinks which is basically fortified milkshake with all which support healthy weight gain. However, there was a huge meltdown and he refused to drink it. This went on for hours. I haven’t stopped trying tho.

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CompressedNerve · 16/03/2022 10:51

@DSGR I know there are a lot of posts but it has been mentioned that I contacted CAMHS, SS and the school. There isn’t anything more within the law that I am able to do at this time. I can visit, meet him after school and spend as much time as I possible can with them until these services step in. So at the moment it’s a waiting game. Like someone mentioned, perhaps they’re collating their evidence.

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DSGR · 16/03/2022 10:54

I’m sorry, I missed the post where you said you’d contacted SS. Well done. You sound lovely… I hope things improve for you all

girlmom21 · 16/03/2022 11:08

Please stay close to the children and your sister and try and encourage her to do right by them. Sorry that SS aren't doing anything @CompressedNerve

CornedBeef451 · 16/03/2022 11:33

I think that's more than neglect, it's active abuse. I would report to the school safeguarding lead and to social services immediately.

If it makes you feel any better I once reported my DB and his wife to SS for neglect and it did help the kids.

Good luck, it sounds like a horrible situation.

Lsquiggles · 16/03/2022 11:57

I'm so glad he has you on his side, your sister should be ashamed

Beeth0ven · 16/03/2022 12:04

You sound amazing. Don’t give up OP. Would your sister let them stay with you for a week or so?

LottyD32 · 16/03/2022 12:11

[quote CompressedNerve]@Jjjayfee not a silly idea at all. I brought him some complan drinks which is basically fortified milkshake with all which support healthy weight gain. However, there was a huge meltdown and he refused to drink it. This went on for hours. I haven’t stopped trying tho.[/quote]
Could you hide it in a banana and ice cream milkshake? Tell him it's an ordinary treat one?

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 16/03/2022 12:35

Your nephew sounds a lot like my ds. He’s got an eating disorder called ARFID, avoidant restricted food intake disorder, (or something along those lines) which means he’s terrified of eating new foods and has an ever decreasing list of safe foods. It’s only recently been categorised as a disorder but there are some good support groups on Facebook and online www.arfidawarenessuk.org/ for example. My ds is in year 9 now and still wearing the same school uniform from year 7 and has lots of anxiety. He’s being tested for autism soon hopefully. You might be able to get the school to look into ARFID and autism, which are strongly linked and they could possibly get him assessed which might help him get more support.
You sound like a brilliant aunt I reckon you can really help your family get to a better place and you sound like you’ve got everything in hand. Good luck with everything.