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Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

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Ellie198712 · 08/03/2022 18:33

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

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MibsXX · 10/03/2022 12:45

@SaintJavelin

We will not be able to afford heating next winter, it’s that simple and millions of people will be in a similar situation.

I understand some people wanted to go back to the good old days but this is a bit extreme.

We were struggling 2 years ago, before Covid struck the world, but we were finally starting to drag ourselves out of debt and feel like we were getting somewhere. Covid took half our household income ( a whopping £14K total, two wages at that time )away overnight.....then despite going into work every day shit scared if THIS was going to be the day i got ill.....last aug I did get ill, did what the gov ordered and stayed home for 10 days, worst week of my life, to be told by my employer I was unreliable and had been replaced. The jobcentre refused to help , stating I had made myself intentionally unemployed by not going into work. A few weeks later my mum died, and my dad ended up in hospital with covid and almost didnt make it. I missed 6 weeks of bills, just 6 weeks, the council refused to help or allow me time to catch up and took me to court for the whole of the rest of the years worth of instalments in one hit, the water company kept calling and writing also refusing to let me catch up. I am still ill now, we already cannot afford to eat more than once a day, one shower a week, one wash load, not had any heating for a year anyway, there havent been any luxuries to cut for a few years now so nothing to look forward to except even less food, wear dirtier clothes for longer, and even more debt. We already run out of electricity a couple of days a week. Frankly if it wasnt for trying to keep going for my son I would have walked off into the wilds and given up some time ago. Feels like there is no hope and no point in continuing. You're either well off, lucky and have it all, or else you're left by the wayside with nothing, hard work means nothing without a big slice of luck involved. I just sat and went through the meagre accounts.. £1.5K is all it would take to clear to debts left, stock up on food and pay the bills ahead for the next 6 months, buy us time to continue jobhunting etc but that may as well be £1M for how accessible that amount is. This time next year that figure likely to be treble.All I can see ahead is more illness, homelessness and failure. This is one families reality, and I know there are thousands of families in even worse situations right now. Something will have to give eventually, surely. When you hit rock bottom there is nowhere left to fall and no energy left to crawl
Bringsexyback · 10/03/2022 13:14

Before automoation in may have but if the DWP could get on with their digital transformation then that excuse will evaporate

Bringsexyback · 10/03/2022 13:15

Quote fail …. Should gave said mean testing wasnt cist effective….. it could be

Alwayscheerful · 10/03/2022 14:24

@badlydrawncat
That's brilliant work.
We have used sheet insulation as we go along and renovated some rooms but we still have north facing walls with no insulation. I am now looking at the plasterboard pre backed with polystyrene it's very difficult to compare the thermal values of different types.

badlydrawncat · 10/03/2022 14:57

[quote Alwayscheerful]@badlydrawncat
That's brilliant work.
We have used sheet insulation as we go along and renovated some rooms but we still have north facing walls with no insulation. I am now looking at the plasterboard pre backed with polystyrene it's very difficult to compare the thermal values of different types. [/quote]
We used Celotex/Kingspan foil-backed insulation board (your sheet insulation I guess) as thick as we could get away with for most of our rooms. This stuff: www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/celotex-75mm-ga4075-insulation-board-2400mm-x-1200mm.html We basically created a cavity in our single-skin brick wall with it and then plastered on top of that. People tend not to like it when you suggest using it because it takes space from the inside of your rooms, but you can look at our house and the houses on each side and not even guess there's a difference.

We used poly backed plasterboard in one bedroom where the door almost abutted the adjoining wall and on a landing where space was at a premium.

I may be wrong but IIRC that poly-backed plasterboard is not as effective as the celotex stuff for the same thickness. We just took the view that any insulation was better than nothing in those areas - both of those walls are east facing in our case.

lynfordthecrab · 10/03/2022 15:14

Ours has jumped from £114 (dual fuel) to now they want £380. And there is absolutely nothing we can do

zestyflavour · 10/03/2022 15:35

I am so sorry you are going through all of that MibsXX You’ve probably tried every Avenue already, but do try Citizens Advice, universal credit, contact Martin Lewis even!

PuzzledObserver · 10/03/2022 16:01

@FourTeaFallOut

Actually, I still need to thank you for this advice PuzzledObserver. You wrote about reducing the flow in the boiler and it's made a huge difference in our gas usage.

Pleased to hear it’s made a difference. The best thanks would be to spread the tip far and wide to as many people as possible.

Bringsexyback · 10/03/2022 16:06

[quote PuzzledObserver]@FourTeaFallOut

Actually, I still need to thank you for this advice PuzzledObserver. You wrote about reducing the flow in the boiler and it's made a huge difference in our gas usage.

Pleased to hear it’s made a difference. The best thanks would be to spread the tip far and wide to as many people as possible.[/quote]
How does one reduce the flow ?

Angelswithflirtyfaces · 10/03/2022 16:32

I have never seen such a carving up of society. There really is going to be a rich and very poor. I despair going back to Victorian times but that is what is happening without meaning to me full of doom, crime will be rampant, insurance claims for fire ( people resorting to candles and the like). No one having spare money on leisure spends will trigger a recession. One where the rich get richer.
Why cant we all get a ration of energy units at a set low price for essential use per day. Then if we choose or can afford to go over that we pay the extra?
That way we all can have a basic use without subsidising the very rich who waste energy and the very poor who we prop up anyway? It could work like council tax depending on size of home and occupants so single people are not left out! Why is no one doing something rather than blame Covid/ Brexit/ Russia??
I can see people rioting. I really can. I lived through a recession in late 80s early 90s and watching every penny was hard. I cant believe we are all back here. This country is finished. My DH retires next year and we will move abroad. We might still be poor but at least we wont live in a country that cares zero about its people.

whatsthestory123 · 10/03/2022 16:42

@angela99999

We also pay the fuel bills for our adult daughter who has to live on benefits (mental health disability). Her benefits don't even cover the cost of her food, let alone the cost of the doctor's letters (£25 each) which she is required to produce regularly to various authorities. I pay £66 for her fuel now, heaven knows what level this will reach.
maybe apply for pip
whatsthestory123 · 10/03/2022 17:27

@lynfordthecrab

Ours has jumped from £114 (dual fuel) to now they want £380. And there is absolutely nothing we can do
do you pay by DD
PuzzledObserver · 10/03/2022 17:39

@Bringsexyback it will depend on your boiler.

Find the user manual (I found mine online by googling the name of the boiler model, which I found on the boiler itself) and look for “Flow temperature.” Mine involved a sequence of button presses to get to the right menu option, then pressing the minus button until I reached the number I wanted (55).

I wish I could find the article I used which explained the rationale. Because it also said you might need to experiment a bit - if turning the flow temp down to 55 leaves your house a bit cooler than you’d like, you can tweak it back up a bit.

Water leaves the boiler at the flow temperature, gives off heat to the rooms when it flows through the radiators, and then returns to the boiler at the return temperature, which is typically 20 degrees lower than the flow temperature. If the flow temperature is 75 and the return temperature is 55, the amount of heat given off through the radiators is exactly the same as a flow temperature of 55 and a return temperature of 35. Both settings should be equally effective at heating your house.

If the return temperature is too high, then the boiler won’t “condense” and will lose a lot of heat out of the flue. When it “condenses” it recovers most of the heat, so needs to burn less gas to keep the house warm.

Bringsexyback · 10/03/2022 17:41

@PuzzledObserver thank you, thats super helpful im buying a new house shortly and plan to get the whole thing flushed and tweaked before moving it

PuzzledObserver · 10/03/2022 17:43

Found it! Lots of useful info here about how to get the best out of your boiler:

www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature

Furries · 10/03/2022 17:49

[quote PuzzledObserver]Found it! Lots of useful info here about how to get the best out of your boiler:

www.theheatinghub.co.uk/articles/turn-down-the-boiler-flow-temperature[/quote]
You are a blooming superstar! I vaguely remember seeing your post earlier this year and thought “I need to check this out”, then life got in the way and it slipped my mind.

So, tomorrow morning’s task is to dig out my manual and get this sorted. And I’m visiting my mum’s at the weekend. So am going to do the same for her (without explaining it all, it will fry her brain and confuse her!)

So, thank you again - and I will definitely pass this on to others.

GrolliffetheDragon · 10/03/2022 18:00

With adults, limiting laundry is possible.

With chidlren included though...very tough. They go through clothes very fast. No choice but to tumble dry.

Have a child. Don't have, and have never had a tumble drier. Not saying it's fun, but it is doable.

bellabasset · 10/03/2022 18:12

I'm on a fixed rate that finishes this month and on an annual payment plan till October. What I'm hoping is that I will have paid my winter energy by April and then I will keep my dd the same but transfer my £150 rate payment as a one off against my energy account.

What I'm absolutely steaming about is that I'm having to fund the underfunded or unpaid levies for all those privatised companies that have gone bankrupt by way of an increase in standing charges. The final insult is that its subject to VAT. So the Treasury will virtually double it's income.

lorking · 10/03/2022 18:14

@Blossomtoes

fullfact.org/education/literacy-numeracy-uk-telegraph/

"The average adult literacy scores improved between 1996 and 2012. And England’s score in international tests among children shows reading aptitude has remained similar or even increased since 2006."

"Literacy is currently about 99%."

Do you think it's been at 99% for the past 70 years?

lorking · 10/03/2022 18:15

But agree this thread has massively derailed

GrolliffetheDragon · 10/03/2022 18:35

@badlydrawncat what multi cooker did you get? I've been looking but every one I look at seems to have iffy reviews...

EmpressSuiko · 10/03/2022 19:00

This is most probably a useless quotation but if someone literally doesn’t have the money what is going to happen?
Will they have to live without heating/hot water? I just can’t believe these companies are happy to make billions in profits yet leave vulnerable people without access to heating and hot water? I’m baffled and scared we will be in this situation

Luxplus · 10/03/2022 19:03

Is district heating not a thing in the UK? We currently pay 240£ per quarter for district heating and 170 £ per quarter for electricity...

Blossomtoes · 10/03/2022 19:08

[quote lorking]@Blossomtoes

fullfact.org/education/literacy-numeracy-uk-telegraph/

"The average adult literacy scores improved between 1996 and 2012. And England’s score in international tests among children shows reading aptitude has remained similar or even increased since 2006."

"Literacy is currently about 99%."

Do you think it's been at 99% for the past 70 years? [/quote]
Nearing the end of Victoria’s reign at the turn of the 20th ceuntry, the literacy rate amongst both men and women in Britain was nearly 100%.

sites.udel.edu/britlitwiki/education-in-victorian-england/

The last 110 years actually. 🤷‍♀️

badlydrawncat · 10/03/2022 19:09

I have a Ninja Foodie. None of the functions were new to me so I was pretty familiar with all of the cooking methods and their drawbacks as well as advantages. I've been a pressure cooker fan since the 70s and had a slow cooker for years, I really don't understand how people cope without either if them if they work outside of the home and want to come home and not spend ages cooking. I was a faulty recent convert air-frying too. To have them all in one pot and a saute function is wonderful. The pressure cooker and air-fryer functions are the most costly to run (around 4p/hr) but quick to use - casseroles, chillis, curries in less than 30mins, steaks, chips etc in 10mins. Slow cooking costs between 1 & 2p/hr. Sauteing is about the same as on the induction hob (I think I called it's halogen hob earlier) so quite economical, but less washing up.