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Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

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Ellie198712 · 08/03/2022 18:33

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

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EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter · 10/03/2022 08:22

That’s a very “loose” meaning of know-it-all - seems to be missing the words “thinks” and “they”. Grin

Multi-generational living is something I’ve been thinking about. There’s my dad 800 miles away rattling around in a 5-bed house with his biggest pleasure being his grandchildren…

LoisLane66 · 10/03/2022 08:23

It's a catch 22 situation. Prices rise. Gov hands out help refunded through taxpayers.

PrincessSpanky · 10/03/2022 08:30

@Beancounter1

I remember one coal fire in the living room to heat the whole house, and waking up with ice (frozen condensation) on the INside of the single-glazed windows in the bedroom.

Of course most houses, and all flats, don't have real fires now, so no choice but to use gas or electric or go without heating.

This is what I said. Get a real fire and solar panels. But then fuckwit Kranky wants to ban log burners.

You just can't bloody win.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 10/03/2022 08:30

@EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter you are onto something there.

Baby Boomers scrimped and saved and spent their money on bricks and mortar rather than luxuries. So it's a combo of stable permanent contracts, working hard (to get the decent pensions) and investing in properties that have helped them to comfortable 'elder' lifestyles.

But remember these are parents of many of us who would not have had the heating on more than minimally (if indeed they had CH in their properties), would not have had baths/showers daily, wouldn't leave lights on all over the house, and for whom the word 'tumble dryer' would have been unknown until well into middle-age. We can learn a lot from them about 'making do' in the context of conserving energy!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 10/03/2022 08:33

Multi-generational living is something I’ve been thinking about. There’s my dad 800 miles away rattling around in a 5-bed house with his biggest pleasure being his grandchildren…

It may become a necessity for some. Or the same sort of arrangements for families (I'm thinking of single parents) who share houses although I never know how people manage the inevitable territoriality and conflict. It can sometimes seem difficult enough to do this with blended families.

tbh, over the past couple of years when we were delivering dinner etc. to a friend of DH's who lives alone, I'd thought about the feasibility of all sharing a house together. However, he's used to living alone for most of his adult life and I'm not sure that I'd be able to make such a privacy shift.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 10/03/2022 08:39

Multi-generational living could help alleviate the social care crisis too. Much easier to keep a close eye on the elders when they're 'in the bosom' of a proper family unit. And their quality of life would probably improve in lots of unforeseen ways.

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 10/03/2022 08:42

Boomers are not responsible for the current flux in energy prices.
However, they did benefit from the highest periods of asset and wage growth in history.
They also seem to be struggling with the concept of increasing costs.
I receive regular inquiries from boomers, they seem to have a fixed cost in their heads that is 15-20yrs out of date.

Blossomtoes · 10/03/2022 08:48

However, they did benefit from the highest periods of asset and wage growth in history.

Also known as inflation and accompanied by constantly rising prices and interest rates.

LoisLane66 · 10/03/2022 08:49

Supplies won't be cut off but you'll be expected to agree to a payment plan and stick to it. Only in extreme and isolated cases would your supply be terminated.
It won't be everyone who has to swallow huge rises. Standard Variable tariffs are (or were up to now) good value. Anyone on an SV tariff would do well to stay put and have a rethink near the end of September. Your supplier should have now told you what the April tariffs will be and you can work out your future bills from past usage in matching months. The algorithms are printed on your bills near the end and it's easy to find what the costs will be using the calculator on your phone.
Gas is: Units used x 39.3 (that might vary by .1) x 1.02264 ÷ 3.6 x unit price ÷ 100.
Standing charge x number of days since last bill ÷ 100. Add the two totals and there's your bill.
Remember that on most companies' statements, the quoted costs of therms and kWh are NOT inclusive of VAT so you'll need to divide the above total by 20 and add the result to make the final total.
Electricity is units used x pence pkWh ÷ 100 and standing charge calculated same as gas then add VAT as above.
There is no need for anyone not to know what their bills will be after reading their meters. It takes far less than 5 minutes.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 10/03/2022 08:49

@NewModelArmyMayhem18

Multi-generational living could help alleviate the social care crisis too. Much easier to keep a close eye on the elders when they're 'in the bosom' of a proper family unit. And their quality of life would probably improve in lots of unforeseen ways.
I'm not entirely sure about that because it can need very careful handling. Elder abuse is reported to be common from financial through to domestic violence and neglect.

Hourglass, formerly Action on Elder Abuse, said polling that it had commissioned suggested as many as one in five people in the UK over the age of 65 have been abused. The charity calculates that this equates to 2.7 million victims across the UK.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/nov/29/one-in-five-older-people-in-the-uk-have-been-abused-poll-finds

The Policy and Research section here is miserable reading.

wearehourglass.org/

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 10/03/2022 08:52

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus, I hadn't thought of that happening Sad. Is it more likely to happen in multi-generational living set-ups though?

cakeorwine · 10/03/2022 08:52

@LoisLane66

It's a catch 22 situation. Prices rise. Gov hands out help refunded through taxpayers.
Depends which taxpayers are paying.

Rob the rich to give to the poor.
Or redistribute wealth in a fairer way.

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 10/03/2022 08:52

[quote NewModelArmyMayhem18]@EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter you are onto something there.

Baby Boomers scrimped and saved and spent their money on bricks and mortar rather than luxuries. So it's a combo of stable permanent contracts, working hard (to get the decent pensions) and investing in properties that have helped them to comfortable 'elder' lifestyles.

But remember these are parents of many of us who would not have had the heating on more than minimally (if indeed they had CH in their properties), would not have had baths/showers daily, wouldn't leave lights on all over the house, and for whom the word 'tumble dryer' would have been unknown until well into middle-age. We can learn a lot from them about 'making do' in the context of conserving energy![/quote]
Are you being sarcastic? Apologies if you were.

Just in case you're serious...that's bollocks.

In 1960 the average wage could buy the average house in 9 months. Now it's close to 9 YEARS.

If houses had stayed the same relative to wages the average house price would be £18,600. It's £260,000.

Scrimping and saving is really not the issue Shock

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 10/03/2022 08:58

What do you mean “in 1960 the average wage could buy the average house in 9 months”?

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 10/03/2022 09:01

@ThroughThickAndThin01

What do you mean “in 1960 the average wage could buy the average house in 9 months”?
Just that. And sorry I was mixing my decades, that was the '70s. In the 60's it was more like 5 months.

Average wage in the '70s was £14k. Average house was £11k.

Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!
ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 10/03/2022 09:07

Obviously those figures are adjusted for inflation so 'real term' not the actual.

SamphiretheStickerist · 10/03/2022 09:09

So, the polyglot, multiple personality passport Actual Actuary / Diplomat Scion is telling us that we are uneducated Boomers. Sorry sweetheart. I am Gen X. Far more educated than you might want to imagine and currently finding your weirdly inaccurate, false information, disinformation, crazy assumptions, weird declarations amusing.

If you had a point it is lost beneath your thick veneer of arrogance. Much of which has been shown again and again to be based on inaccurate figures, misunderstandings, weird biases and just good old lack of actual knowledge.

Some of us have experience, lived, actual, real, that gives the lie to some of your assertions. Take a step back and think about what it is you might be trying to achieve here. Because you aren't making many friends, are convincing even fewer.

Start with the fact that 'Boomers' lived through some truly shit times before they then lived through a period of amazing growth. That is they were born not that they chose, manipulated, caused etc. That would have been started by the generation before them. Their happy accident of a date of birth does not make them the devil incarnate. It is far too easy to blame an amorphous mass of people for shit they didn't control and for broad brush stroke asumptions that don't even describe the majority of them.

If you actually are an Actual Actuary @BambinaJAS you would know that! Numbers are not the truth or even a truth much of the time. Remember Lies, dam lies and statistics!

Blossomtoes · 10/03/2022 09:16

Average wage in the '70s was £14k

It wasn’t. It was more like £3k. I had a job that was considered pretty well paid in the mid 80s and I was on £8k.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/statistics-and-research/2018-12/980827-historical-1974-1996-chapter-8-en.pdf

labyrinthlaziness · 10/03/2022 09:20

Whatever figures you use - fact is a deputy head in my town, wife a sahm, could buy a 3 bed in the 70s. Now - dream on.

House prices have far outstripped wages.

Blossomtoes · 10/03/2022 09:23

@labyrinthlaziness

Whatever figures you use - fact is a deputy head in my town, wife a sahm, could buy a 3 bed in the 70s. Now - dream on.

House prices have far outstripped wages.

We know. But it’s completely ridiculous to maintain it was once possible to buy a house for nine months’ wages.
Kennykenkencat · 10/03/2022 09:27

Average wage in the '70s was £14k

Grin

It was £1200 per year not £1200 per month

Dh in about 1982, a few years after qualifying in a profession was asked at an interview “What makes you think you are worth a 5

ThinkAboutItTomorrow · 10/03/2022 09:28

[quote Blossomtoes]Average wage in the '70s was £14k

It wasn’t. It was more like £3k. I had a job that was considered pretty well paid in the mid 80s and I was on £8k.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/statistics-and-research/2018-12/980827-historical-1974-1996-chapter-8-en.pdf[/quote]
But we need to adjust for inflation.

£3k in 1970 is the equivalent of nearly £50k today. So yes you were very well paid.

SamphiretheStickerist · 10/03/2022 09:28

Baby Boomers scrimped and saved and spent their money on bricks and mortar rather than luxuries. So it's a combo of stable permanent contracts, working hard (to get the decent pensions) and investing in properties that have helped them to comfortable 'elder' lifestyles.

Yep. Because my Boomer parents had a single wage. They lied about mum being pregnant so they could get a mortgage on two wages, even then they were grilled about howling mum would stay working before she became a Little Housewife. She couldn't go on the pill before they married, wasn't welcome back to work after she had me. So dad worked many hours to pay for everything. Was known as the Tuity Fruity man because me and mus sister only saw him on Friday's when he cam hime early from work with sweeties. My sister was often scared of him, thought he was a stranger. And he had a second job over the weekend. My parents tried to be the new upwardly mobile youth the adverts promised so much to.

They bought everything on the never never - as everyone seemed to back then. So we had all mod cons until the shillings ran out and the Rumbelows van came and took something away. Then a couple of months later they would go out and re hire purchase a similar item, that may or may not stay until it was paid off or replaced. That included the house. Dad got a new job and sold the house for almost exactly what he paid for it. So he may as well have rented. He did from then on.

They had no private pensions. they relied upon the state, the promises they were made about hard work and retirement reward. Mum worked for enough years to qualify in her own right - we were latchkey kids from the first day we were both at school.

But remember these are parents of many of us who would not have had the heating on more than minimally (if indeed they had CH in their properties), would not have had baths/showers daily, wouldn't leave lights on all over the house, and for whom the word 'tumble dryer' would have been unknown until well into middle-age. We can learn a lot from them about 'making do' in the context of conserving energy!

Never had CH. Always had one room that was heated, kids given the bedroom above it. Weekly baths, best ones were after dad as it would have been deeper and hotter than one drawn specifically for us. Mum was always the last in. Daily 'cat's lick' (which is fucking disgusting when you think about it). Door closed behind you every time, ights only on if really needed and truned off as you closed the door on leaving a room - on pain of what seemed like death. No tumble dryer. No fridge for a few years - cold shelf in the pantry did for us until about 1970, daily shopping made fridges and freezers unecessary. Twin tub and mangle, all that good fun stuff.

I think I was about 16, 17 years old by the time they had what everyone now thinksis the norm. And still they lived in a council house - until in his 50s Dad bought a small doer upper, which they lived in until circumstances meant they couldn't afford that and DSis took them in.

They are now mid 70s in a rented flat, state pension and no other funding to fall back on.

That is the reality of many Boomers. In fact of all the Boomers I know.

No matter what cobblers is sold to us via various media outlets, 'experts' here, my parents live the lives of many Boomers. Hard working, constantly living on the edge of earnings, more mobile than previous generations but having to be to chase work. They lived as kids and adults through major depressions and brought up Gen X kids to be hard working, self reliant and, often , philanthropic, socially minded adults.

Not quite the same as the balderdash spouted so often across MN!

Kennykenkencat · 10/03/2022 09:29

Sorry, it was around mid 1980s when Dh was asked “what makes you think you are worth a 5 figure salary”

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 10/03/2022 09:29

@SamphiretheStickerist

So, the polyglot, multiple personality passport Actual Actuary / Diplomat Scion is telling us that we are uneducated Boomers. Sorry sweetheart. I am Gen X. Far more educated than you might want to imagine and currently finding your weirdly inaccurate, false information, disinformation, crazy assumptions, weird declarations amusing.

If you had a point it is lost beneath your thick veneer of arrogance. Much of which has been shown again and again to be based on inaccurate figures, misunderstandings, weird biases and just good old lack of actual knowledge.

Some of us have experience, lived, actual, real, that gives the lie to some of your assertions. Take a step back and think about what it is you might be trying to achieve here. Because you aren't making many friends, are convincing even fewer.

Start with the fact that 'Boomers' lived through some truly shit times before they then lived through a period of amazing growth. That is they were born not that they chose, manipulated, caused etc. That would have been started by the generation before them. Their happy accident of a date of birth does not make them the devil incarnate. It is far too easy to blame an amorphous mass of people for shit they didn't control and for broad brush stroke asumptions that don't even describe the majority of them.

If you actually are an Actual Actuary @BambinaJAS you would know that! Numbers are not the truth or even a truth much of the time. Remember Lies, dam lies and statistics!

You have to back up your assertions not with dismissive tones but with quantifiable evidence. Qualitative empirical experiences (In some cases rants) are not a good guide for calculating and summarizing how a generation managed to become so comparatively wealthy.
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