Surely they can’t expect us to pay 240 per month for power!

[Ellie198712]

Just read Martin Lewis’s latest email and it’s predicting average bills of £2900 per year!! Surely the government will need to step in and subsidise this cost. Our current bill is about 100 per month, and this just seems untenable for the vast majority

@Blossomtoes
I don’t 🙄

But you said the below

Boomers were the last properly educated generation.

Why do you think the above is true?

Education is not the same as intelligence - as expertly demonstrated on this thread.

Old tip put tin foil behind radiators to deflect heat. Can we please have some tips on how to keep usage low and not on who is more intelligent please

Price of Brent oil has dropped 17% this morning. The Middle East has agreed to increase production

But what evidence is there that Boomers were the last properly educated generation.

Education is not the same as intelligence

They are linked though or are you saying education has no cognitive impact?

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User thats why I'm not fixing now, yes might be a mistake but by the summer when EU use of gas and electricity drops I'm hoping for some better terms before October. There are so many variables at play at the moment. Admittedly this could be a mistake.

^Does nobody ever stop to consider us Gen X-ers?

Just quietly plodding on with the music of our youth playing in our heads. Hits such as:

1. SHUT THAT DOOR
2. TURN OFF THE BLOODY LIGHT^

Ha ha, so true, and ITS LIKE BLACKPOOL ILLUMINATIONS IN THIS HOUSE.

We only had decent heating in the 1970s and early 80s because DF was a miner so we got a tonne of coal a month that was either free or very cheap from his work. Luckily we had a cellar to store it in and it lasted for years after he stopped working in the mines.

Plus I got such a bollocking from DM when I was young for letting a friend from down the street use our tumble dryer just once, because of the cost.

So it seems strange that a lot of us have produced offspring who think it's normal to crank the heating up instead of putting on a jumper, wash clothes after one wear, tumble dry everything etc etc.

Brent oil doesn't have a bearing on gas or electricity prices. It is specific to oil prices and has come down because other sources have agreed to produced more oil.

We also pay the fuel bills for our adult daughter who has to live on benefits (mental health disability). Her benefits don't even cover the cost of her food, let alone the cost of the doctor's letters (£25 each) which she is required to produce regularly to various authorities. I pay £66 for her fuel now, heaven knows what level this will reach.

Fwiw, wholesale gas prices did come down from the ridiculous highs of the previous days yesterday. But still almost double what it was just a couple of weeks ago.

I can't believe the 'Baby Boomer' hatred on MN. Many may well have good pensions and comfortable in retirement lifestyles but they've earned it! Many lived their very early years during WW2 and the post-war austerity 'rationing' years. Life was much more humble and frugal for them in every respect until the 1980s. And I'd say that many still have a 'make do and mend' mentality. Life was not filled with the high consumption lifestyle of subsequent generations for sure. Even comfortably-off MC families wouldn't have been indulging in regular meals out, the number of extra-curriculars that seems standard for DC these days, and the 'high status' branded technology that many consider a 'given'.

@Handsoffreturns

Hi angela I’m so sorry to hear that your daughter is struggling. As she has disabilities she would be eligible to apply for a grant via her supplier and would potentially stand a good chance of getting assistance, particularly if she has paperwork from the GP as evidence. £25 for a doctors letter is awful, perhaps email them and just ask for something that way. As long as it has the Drs name and surgery address on it should be fine for a grant x

I'm afraid that all authorities ask for a recent hard copy of a doctors letter listing medication. This is even required when she has to go for medicals. It costs a lot to stay on benefits but they always agree that she is unable to work.

@EdgeOfSeventeenAndThreeQuarter

Education is not the same as intelligence - as expertly demonstrated on this thread.

Exactly that.

I can't believe the 'Baby Boomer' hatred on MN. Many may well have good pensions and comfortable in retirement lifestyles but they've earned it!

Questioning the earned it point does not equal hatred.

The irony that you then go on to criticise the high consumption of younger generations 😆

Questioning the earned it point does not equal hatred

There’s plenty of boomer hatred on MN. How do you think those occupational pensions happened if they weren’t earned?

@Blossomtoes

and yet education is highly correlated with intelligence.

So again what evidence shows Boomers were the last properly educated generation.

You won't answer this though 😆

Yes Brent oil price only affects oil but some of us are on oil heating which is currently ridiculously expensive at around £2 a litre

@Blossomtoes

How do you think those occupational pensions happened if they weren’t earned?

who said that?

I responded to this point

Many may well have good pensions and comfortable in retirement lifestyles but they've earned it!

I'm not sure why you think a comfortable retirement lifestyle is just related to pensions.

@Ddot

Old tip put tin foil behind radiators to deflect heat. Can we please have some tips on how to keep usage low and not on who is more intelligent please

There's a difference of opinion as to how useful foil is rather than reflective radiator panels. It seems it also depends on whether the radiator is against an internal or external wall. It's thought to be of no value on an internal wall but may prevent some heat loss on an external wall.

However, if there isn't a consistent temperature gradient between the internal rooms (e.g., between a heated an unheated room) then the value might be unclear because the heat from the warm room will be transferring to the colder room where possible.

However, they’re only effective behind radiators on external walls - you don’t need to place them behind radiators on internal walls or on walls shared between two properties in a semi-detached or terraced residence.

This is because they prevent heat escaping to the outside – so more heat is kept within your home. Heat always travels from a warm place to a cold place, which is why it’s always ultimately drawn outside.

On internal walls, so long as the room on the other side of the wall is also heated, there won’t be the same temperature gradient to draw heat out of the room, so the radiator panel isn’t necessary. The same goes for a wall between two properties.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-5077265/Can-tin-foil-radiators-cut-energy-bills.html

[quote lorking]@Blossomtoes

and yet education is highly correlated with intelligence.

So again what evidence shows Boomers were the last properly educated generation.

You won't answer this though 😆

[/quote]
that there are 8 million adults in the UK who struggle with reading. Also, as about 25% of state school pupils do not meet the expected reading standards by the age of 11, it seems that things aren’t going to improve any day soon.

In 1999, Sir Claus Moser was commissioned by the government to produce a report on adult literacy and numeracy (known as the Moser report). In this he concluded that 23% of adults in this country had low literacy skills and recommended a national strategy to improve the situation.

However, despite successive governments having spent billions of pounds on a variety of programmes to rectify this, in almost 25 years there has been little or no improvement.

Meanwhile, 20 years ago
www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/19/education.politics

I'm not sure why you think a comfortable retirement lifestyle is just related to pensions

How else do you think it’s funded?

@Waxonwaxoff0

Some people on this thread are so up their own arse. Insufferable know it alls.

Yep. @ BambinaJAS