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To feel distressed and heartbroken re Ukraine’s increasingly desperate pleas for help?

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UltraLightfly · 06/03/2022 20:30

You can hear the desperation in their president’s (and former presidents) voices now. They are BEGGING for physical help. Begging for a no-fly zone to be implemented.

I KNOW we can’t do anything as it’ll cause WW3, but tonight, listening to a former presidents and the current presidents desperate pleas is actually quite distressing. Heartbreaking. Those poor people being left to their fate with the Russians Sad

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Whatthefleckster · 06/03/2022 22:02

@EddyF

The west knew that Ukraine cannot win this war so I am unsure why they keep pumping them up with ammunition and then standing back. It would have made sense for Ukraine president to have stepped down right from the beginning. Civilians are being killed in a war that cannot be won . The west have egged this situation to a no return point. A no fly zone literally means no more us. Putin has everybody in a corner and there is no point the Ukraine government asking for something that they know would cause the world to cease. They could have given Putin what he wants whilst working in the background to take him out. The west is not clean in this and I suspect the Ukrainian government have been had.

I sympathise with the people but I feel their government has made it worse for them with the half stepping from the west.

There's a massive difference between invading a country and ruling it. The Ukrainians are making it very clear they don't want Russia there. What level of troops will Putin need to hold a country like Ukraine and are Russian families likely to support that long term? And how on earth will he fund it? He's backed himself into a corner and we need to give him a way out.
Lockheart · 06/03/2022 22:02

@Beansprout30

When Putin was doing some kind of press conference yesterday, surrounded by women, I just sensed he knows his days are numbered, that there are very few in his inner circle he can trust. Maybe I’m way off the mark here but just something I felt.

I feel awful to say this but I think Ukraine should give it up, buy us all some time, see what his next move is, give him no reason to keep attacking. Take him out later /arrest at the first opportunity.

I've seen suggestion that that press conference was green-screened. Putin's hand appears to pass through his microphone.
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UltraLightfly · 06/03/2022 22:02

Were our so many grammatical errors in the above, sorry Blush

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TellMeMoreHellebore · 06/03/2022 22:05

@WulyJmpr

well yes, i agree...but mumsnettrs dont like hearing that!

Retq · 06/03/2022 22:06

I agree it seems awful that the world just watches. After what happened in ww2 and the promises that we would learn from

Cantleave · 06/03/2022 22:10

@UltraLightfly

USA are now saying they’re seriously considering giving aircraft to Poland so that Poland can then supply their aircraft to Ukraine. The news reporter said this could very well be seen my Moscow as an antagonistic move by the West.

I honestly have no idea how I feel anymore. Fucking terrified of a nuclear war which honestly as the days go on, I’m fearing is MORE likely, not less.

I’m pregnant and feel so fucking stressed.

If the USA sends aircraft to Poland to give to Ukraine, Putin won’t stop once he has taken the Ukraine, but will continue into Poland!

It is heartbreaking and absolutely terrifying! I think that the only way this won’t escalate, is if there is a military coup and Putin’s generals take him out! I can’t see him backing down and do think he will use Nuclear force, if he thinks it necessary!

needmoreshinys · 06/03/2022 22:14

I KNOW we can’t do anything

OP, write to your MP asking what they are doing about the fact London is being used as a money laundering operation and has been for years, what exactly are we doing for Ukrainian refugees and what are the government putting place.

Its not much, but the more pressure you put on MPs it might do something, at the moment its too little too late

CPL593H · 06/03/2022 22:15

When I was growing up, Russia seemed invincible. The missiles in Red Square on May Day, the constant feeling that they were better equipped than us, also with the memory of the truly heroic fight many Russians conducted against the Nazis. The only thing that made us feel safe was MAD, and it did, really, the old Soviet warhorses post Stalin were in a lot of ways a known quantity.

What we have now is different but the benighted, brave people of the Ukraine and the fight they have put up has already exposed Putin and his dreams of re establishing an empire that was never sound as being very much lacking. I believe he thought he could walk in to Kyiv with some special forces, Chechen militia and a few hundred mercenaries and he was proved wrong. As others have said, he may well take Ukraine but holding it will be a different matter, especially with the new status of world pariah he has imposed on his country.

LizzieSiddal · 06/03/2022 22:15

I’m going to stop reading the news as of tomorrow and try and switch off from it.

Please do thatFlowers. I used to watch and listen to a lot of news programmes, every day I’m a very political person but I’ve very much limited what I now consume. We all have to look after our mental health, so we can look after our families and ourselves.

Copenhagenoffice · 06/03/2022 22:17

Totally get you OP, try and relax, easier said than done. I'm lucky, friends and family talking about it constantly but couple of friends just completely ignoring it which makes me irrationally angry. Take care xx

Ciaram55 · 06/03/2022 22:22

.ww3 is inevitable. it will happen because it wont stop at ukraine.

It certainly isn't inevitable. Putin is a bully, trying to hold the world to ransom. He wants to live just the same as we all do. A multi billionaire couldn't enjoy his riches in a devastated planet.

Woollystockings · 06/03/2022 22:22

Putin won’t stop once he has taken the Ukraine, but will continue into Poland!

No. If he takes Ukraine, he will struggle to reign it and it might break Russia to try to do so. If he has designs on other countries, Poland would not be top of that list.

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Cantleave · 06/03/2022 22:27

@MissAmbrosia

These things have gone on for years and years and years - Syria, Iraq, the Balkans, Yemen, Palestine etc etc. We did some of it ourselves or sold the weapons being used. It is dreadful, of course it is, but it's hard to understand now why it is only now that anyone cares (that doesn't have a racist interpretation) There are millions of refugees displaced from their homes due to war in the last 10 years alone.
One of the differences I see is that many of the refugees from those countries you mention are young men travelling alone, whereas when looking at the Ukrainian refugees there really don’t seem to be nearly as many young men. I take this to mean that the Ukrainian people themselves are willing to give their lives to try to save their country, whereas in Syria, Iraq etc. etc. the people, including their young men, just want to get out! I suppose it is that if they won’t fight for their country, why should anyone else?

I do think this makes a big difference in the situations and isn’t necessarily just a racist issue!

BOOTS52 · 06/03/2022 22:28

It is just awful for those people and especially the small babies and the elderly or disabled as stuck there. Shocking that one mad lunatic who has changed the laws in his own country to stay in power is causing all of this. Hope someone takes him out as this madness has to stop.

Copenhagenoffice · 06/03/2022 22:31

Cantleave

Like your namesake, men between the ages of 18-60 are allowed to leave Ukraine that's why you're not seeing them fleeing.

katepilar · 06/03/2022 22:32

@WallaceinAnderland

This is what toxic masculinity looks like. One man holding the whole world to ransom.
I agree with that. It makes me sick. I was wondering earlier today, whether there would be wars at all if the main pattern for the world was feminine and if so, what would they look like.
Wolfie12 · 06/03/2022 22:32

It’s not our war, about time this country stopped getting involved in other countries disputes. It’s done enough damage nut never learns.

Etinoxaurus · 06/03/2022 22:33

United Nations mandated and enforced NFZ
Heard something about it on world service but wasn’t focused. Hope they weren’t saying how it couldn’t happen as it seems a sensible solution.

TellMeMoreHellebore · 06/03/2022 22:34

@Wolfie12

It’s not our war, about time this country stopped getting involved in other countries disputes. It’s done enough damage nut never learns.
what you talking about? how are we involved?
Motherdare · 06/03/2022 22:35

Those saying we are standing by and letting it happen… what do you suggest? That we kick off WW3 which a. wouldn’t help the Ukrainians one bit and b. would probably mean the death of us all?

Standing by is the least worse option. Even though it stinks.

Sweetandsaltycaroline · 06/03/2022 22:35

I agree with that. It makes me sick.
I was wondering earlier today, whether there would be wars at all if the main pattern for the world was feminine and if so, what would they look like.

I wondered if most world leaders were female would things be different?

Flowersandhearts · 06/03/2022 22:35

@MiddleOfThePack

Putin WILL fly through a no fly zone, just as he's shooting civilians in 'safe corridors'. He can't be trusted.
No, it's not just a zone that you can't fly through- it would be about shooting down any Russian aircrafts but totally agree that he cannot be trusted.

I've just read that he specifically threatened the UK yesterday- I'm really scared!

Flowersandhearts · 06/03/2022 22:36

And yes it would lead to nuclear war and we'd all die.