To feel distressed and heartbroken re Ukraine’s increasingly desperate pleas for help?

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You can hear the desperation in their president’s (and former presidents) voices now. They are BEGGING for physical help. Begging for a no-fly zone to be implemented.

I KNOW we can’t do anything as it’ll cause WW3, but tonight, listening to a former presidents and the current presidents desperate pleas is actually quite distressing. Heartbreaking. Those poor people being left to their fate with the Russians

[quote User121212121212121212]@Alondra
I guarantee you that there are people that care about all people suffering from the war. But Ukraine is 'fresh news' and I'm 100% sure that it will go quiet in a couple of weeks due to compassion fatigue. That's a cruel fact. Discussing Ukrainian civilians fleeing from war doesn't mean we don't care about Syria, Palestine or Afghanistan. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, otherwise we won't ever be able to discuss anything without people saying yes, but what about....[/quote]
I agree Ukraine is fresh news and will go quiet, disappear from front pages as the war rages on.

I do think it's important to remind people that there are many women and children at risk in war torn countries apart from the Ukraine. We've become so blase/against illegal immigrants or refugees from war torn countries in the ME and Africa that reminding the plight of the 1.5 million Ukranians leaving their country is the same.

Everyone is fleeing because their lives are at risk.

The decision to let Ukraine fall has been weighed up against the real chance of a nuclear war. Unfortunately it's the better option (of 2 shitty options)

The gamble is whether Putin stops there or not, Finland and Sweden are on it's borders and not part of NATO. Finland was invaded before by the Soviets.

Hopefully we can help Ukraine fight back as much as possible

So people want us to invade Afghanistan, take it city by city, oust the Taliban, set up more suitable government and then occupy the country indefinitely to keep them in power (as last time we left the Taliban rolled back in with very little resistance). If we don’t do this, this means we don’t care about Afghan women?

And we should be doing this in all countries where bad things are happening?

Otherwise it’s because we don’t care?

Strawberryjellyicecream

The racism that's happening in the Ukraine with stopping black people from leaving or being accepted by neighbouring countries like Poland, has nothing to do with the UK or the British people.

What is a problem is that many posters here still don't believe/prefer no to think/talk about the amount of racism in Eastern Europe including Ukraine. It's a serious reality - trying to do the ostrich dosn't work,

@Alondra

Strawberryjellyicecream

The difference is that while there are a hundred posts and inumerable articles about how awful the Russians and Putin are, nobody really gives a damn about Afghani women. Or Iraqui. Or Yemeni. Or Palestinian.

Women and children have been massacred for years in these countries. But no one really cares. Like no one really cares about women human rights in Saudi Arabia, UAE (Dubbai), Colombia or Mexico to mention a few.

MiniCooper15 just reminded us that there are more women at risk in the world than Ukraine.

Exactly it's not detailing because it's current news and it definitely demonstrates that we need to still say #BLM because of the rhetoric in the reporting is banging on about Ukraine being a "civilised country" one report mentioned "blond haired blue eyed children suffering" and of course children are suffering it's a war but black and brown children are suffering at the hands of those fleeing also.

@Blue565

The decision to let Ukraine fall has been weighed up against the real chance of a nuclear war. Unfortunately it's the better option (of 2 shitty options)

The gamble is whether Putin stops there or not, Finland and Sweden are on it's borders and not part of NATO. Finland was invaded before by the Soviets.

It’s up to the Ukrainians to decide that. And it’s clear they have decided not to fall, if they can help it. Finland and Sweden aren’t relevant at this point. If it were Moldova, I’d be concerned. The “nuclear war” threat is you buying into Kremlin propaganda. That’s what they want you to think. It’s not really credible or likely.

@Strawberryjellyicecream

it's current news that black students usually medical and their families are being treated as second class and being denied exit in favour of Ukrainians

Yes and that’s being reported in the news. And more to the point, that isn’t the doing of British people. So how can you use that to imply British people don’t care about the suffering of other races

You're being deliberately obtuse. Black students most of them medical students are being discriminated against by Ukrainians who are also suffering. My point is that despite them suffering they still have this ingrained racism that makes them discriminate against other victims. Also the reporting keeps mentioning Ukraine is "civilised" I'm not sure endemic racism is particularly civilised. I can care about Ukraine victims but also mention the bias towards European suffering. Russia is also pretty racist.

You’re being all-lives-matter and deliberately snide. Of course this conflict is currently headline news, as was the conflict in the Middle East at its peak, the takeover of Afghanistan by the Taliban some months back. It doesn’t have much to do with race

I'm not being deliberately snide. Honest. I just see the amount of propanga this war is getting globally in our countries while the war in Yemen doesn't even make a small headline.

This war should have been prevented long ago. And I blame USA and NATO with the conplicit of the EU for pushing with an expansion when the red lines had been crossed too many times.

And it kills me. It kills me that yet again are normal people suffering - none of the elites in Russia, US, UK, EU or the rest of the world are suffering this war - it's always us, the people, the women, the children who pay.

YANBU We can do plenty, we're just being absolutely inexcusable chicken craven cowardly pieces of shit (we being nato countries in general)

I'm fed up of leaders just sitting back and watching Ukraine die

The sanctions are not enough. Someone has to properly stand up to the bully or Georgia, Moldova etc are next.

They even have an example of how to actually act, how to be brave, how to do what is right - right in front of their eyes. Pathetic cowards.

This war should have been prevented long ago. And I blame USA and NATO with the conplicit of the EU for pushing with an expansion when the red lines had been crossed too many times.

You have it the wrong way round. You have bought into Kremlin propaganda.

Putin invaded because he doesn’t see Ukraine as a real separate country and thinks, and has always done, that it is part of Russia.

He thought his military was much better and stronger than it is.

He saw the west/NATO/USA turn a blind eye to his 2014 invasion. The West/NATO/USA ignored it when he crossed that red line.

@Strawberryjellyicecream

And I blame USA and NATO with the conplicit of the EU for pushing with an expansion when the red lines had been crossed too many times.

Absolutely disgraceful comment.

Agree. Shameful and ignorant.

It's really interesting reading the Budapest Memorandum which was signed when Ukraine voluntarily ( the only country to ever do so) gave up it's nuclear arsenal.

It was predicted back in 1993 that a Ukraine without any nuclear deterrent was likely to be subjected to aggression by Russia.
Nobody listened

The City of Sanctuary UK website has information on how we can all best help the people of Ukraine: links for donations, Ukraine-based journalism, how to talk to children about the war and so on. It has also been working with refugees from around the world, including Syria, Afghanistan and Yemen, since 2005.

Anyway if endemic racism makes a country ‘uncivilised’ then let’s face it, no country is civilised. Not the U.K., the states, Asia, the Middle East, most of Europe…

I think the first step is to acknowledge we are racist. And I don't mean it as an awful word where people accept slavery or give a lower IQ to black people. Racism, like nationalism, is about protecting/prioritising your own kind.

Problem is that in the global world we have today where diversity is essential and we all need each other to move our countries forward, racism like nationalism, is a handicap. The UK, USA, Canada, Australia and the EU will not be where we are today without the influx of people coming from all over the world to our countries. This is even going to be more important in the next couple of decades - our autochthonous populations are declining and the only way to maintain standard of living, meaning taxes, is throu immigration.

I'm not quite sure many people in the UK has realised this.

@Theworldsgonemad

It's really interesting reading the Budapest Memorandum which was signed when Ukraine voluntarily ( the only country to ever do so) gave up it's nuclear arsenal.

It was predicted back in 1993 that a Ukraine without any nuclear deterrent was likely to be subjected to aggression by Russia.
Nobody listened

Quite.

@Strawberryjellyicecream

And I blame USA and NATO with the conplicit of the EU for pushing with an expansion when the red lines had been crossed too many times.

Absolutely disgraceful comment.

nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early