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To think fcuk all is being done to combat climate change

280 replies

getdown2021 · 06/03/2022 15:48

Most people don't seem to care and I rarely hear of it anymore despite being told months ago of the dire warnings. Aibu to think no action is being taken either by governments or by the average person?

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MistOverTheDowns · 06/03/2022 18:51

@savehannah

Wow some of the responses here just sum it up really. People just think it's not their problem and someone else will have to sort it out, and it's only a bunch of whingers who want to stop everyone's fun who are worried.

Government decisions on this are mostly based on money. The meme about "only when there are no more plants and animals will you realise you can't eat money" has never been more true.

A huge proportion of people do have children and grandchildren, so it's astonishing that so many don't seem bothered whether there will be an inhabitable world for them to live in or not.

You may have swallowed the Kool Aid. Great. Don't spit it out over the rest of us.

If there was a crisis why were world leaders being jetted in for a climate conference? Why were they driving about in gas guzzling cars?

If it was as bad as all this hysterical posturing, wouldn't they have had a zoom conference?

Why are houses being built on flood plains?

Why isn't there a cheap and effective public transport system?

Have a wee bit of sense and ask yourself why does every world leader jet about in planes and drive about in massive cars. They have children too. Do you think they don't car about their children's future or, more likely, is it all a load of bollocks.

If Greta Thunberg didn't exist they would have had to invent her. Maybe they did.

Climate Hysteria is the big con of our times and big business is laughing its way to the bank.

Answers on a postcard please!

stuntbubbles · 06/03/2022 18:55

@MistOverTheDowns You missed the word “sheeple” from that little tinfoil hat rant.

stuntbubbles · 06/03/2022 18:59

What more do you want people to do when they are already recycling their waste.
Eh? Waste is low down the list of problems. Biggest emitter is transport and it’s dirt cheap to not fly. Also cheap to shop a lot less and therefore cut energy from production and shipping.

Echobelly · 06/03/2022 19:01

No - because TBH I think to actually prevent disastrous change we'd need to make such far-reaching and totally unilateral changes to our way of living that no one would ever agree to it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try something, but no one will make the large-scale sacrifices really necessary.

Crazykatie · 06/03/2022 19:02

The climate change bandwagon is rolling we must all support it, on the other hand it is our human right to do as we please, the government is taxing every one of us to try to combat climate change. Don’t blame companies, we all buy their products, it’s our demand that is fueling climate change.

The global population is set to grow by 50% by the end of this century, in addition those in the third world want a better lifestyle, there is not a hope in hell of anything we do reversing climate change.

Dreamstate · 06/03/2022 19:05

Also people are suck to death of having it rammed down their throats. I know I am, I heard it the first time I dont to hear it everyday, going on and on and on about. Almost desensitised to it now. Whatever same old garbage message.

No real thought to how people cna afford to make all these changes, middle class wont get any grant system and expect to stump up the whole cost meanwhile paying more taxes to cover money for grants for those who need it. A double whammy hit.

And there is still an environmental cost of lithium batteries, mining lithium right through to production and disposal.

MistOverTheDowns · 06/03/2022 19:09

[quote stuntbubbles]@MistOverTheDowns You missed the word “sheeple” from that little tinfoil hat rant.[/quote]
Yes. I could have referred to them as 'sheeple' but there is no need to insult them. They enjoy wailing about the crisis, so let them.

Climate change has been happening since the world began. If it didn't, we wouldn't have crawled out of the sea in the first place.

The Elizabethans suffered a mini age age-it didn't last.

They didn't use oil. Did they? Nope, I don't think they did.

People will suffer here and now-they will become impoverished on the altar of this absolute giant con.

Whenever Green rears its head, you can bet your bottom dollar that the poor will end up paying for it somehow.

mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 19:18

@savehannah

Wow some of the responses here just sum it up really. People just think it's not their problem and someone else will have to sort it out, and it's only a bunch of whingers who want to stop everyone's fun who are worried.

Government decisions on this are mostly based on money. The meme about "only when there are no more plants and animals will you realise you can't eat money" has never been more true.

A huge proportion of people do have children and grandchildren, so it's astonishing that so many don't seem bothered whether there will be an inhabitable world for them to live in or not.

Who said any of that?
Kazzyhoward · 06/03/2022 19:18

@mummykel16

The best individuals can do is ignore climate doom mongers and decide what they can do themselves, if anything.

As it is one of the best markets to get into is wood burners, because energy prices are ott, in part because of green tax

But burning wood, which is a fossil fuel, isn't entirely good for the environment.
Kazzyhoward · 06/03/2022 19:22

@Tulipomania

Electric cars are now outselling petrol & diesel cars in the UK. New petrol & diesel cars will be banned from 2030.

Only 19% of car sales last November were electric. That's nowhere near them "outselling" petrol & diesel.

As for 2030, it's an aspirational date. Almost certainly, the deadline will be pushed back as we get closer and it becomes blatantly obvious that the target can't be met.

mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 19:24

But burning wood, which is a fossil fuel, isn't entirely good for the environment

That's my point
But people need heat and a way they can cook that they can actually afford

RedPanda17 · 06/03/2022 19:30

It used to worry me greatly, but then I realised that rich people can have and use as many private jets as they want. It took a weight off as it's really out of my control. As others have said, my capacity to campaign etc has been eroded by recent events.

Kazzyhoward · 06/03/2022 19:33

@mummykel16

But burning wood, which is a fossil fuel, isn't entirely good for the environment

That's my point
But people need heat and a way they can cook that they can actually afford

That's the point though. We used coal and petrol for fuel because it was cheap. We wouldn't have used it otherwise. Now that such fuels are out of favour, we need alternatives, and inevitably that means higher prices - if non fossil fuel power was cheap, we'd have been using it decades ago!
mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 19:34

Reminds me of megain and what'shisface, constantly going on about climate change and reducing energy use, whilst private jetting all over the world, which are exempt from green tax. Hypocrites and users

stuntbubbles · 06/03/2022 19:35

Don’t blame companies, we all buy their products, it’s our demand that is fueling climate change.
Yep. DP this afternoon came back from the shop with his moisturiser, moaning “The packaging in this is unbelievable, so much plastic, it’s awful.” Stop bloody buying it, then! I’ve successfully de-plasticked, zero wasted and minimised the footprint of our bathroom and kitchen for me and DD, and largely repair and darn my second-hand clothes, minimal purchases, etc, but DP is an Amazon prime addict, forever click and collecting, “I just need another XYZ”. The doorbell rings off the hook.

mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 19:36

When does the ban on new wood burners come in?

Get your orders in comrades

woodhill · 06/03/2022 19:39

I think we are being manipulated.

EmpressCixi · 06/03/2022 19:47

@Kazzyhoward
But burning wood, which is a fossil fuel, isn't entirely good for the environment

Wood is not a fossil fuel.

crackofdoom · 06/03/2022 19:52

if non fossil fuel power was cheap, we'd have been using it decades ago

Why?

Marketing and propaganda from oil companies has been relentless, from the end of WW2 on, even though they knew about the effects of global warming decades ago. It's still going on. No wonder we have come to see fossil fuels as the default option- and why research and development into renewable alternatives was stifled for far too long.

However, now renewables have been given a chance, their unit price has been plummeting year on year. Given this latest crisis, leading to another spike in the price of gas and oil, this difference is going to become even more marked.

But yeah, if you want to keep on propping up evil dictators and corrupt multinationals by defending fossil fuels, y'know, you do you 🤷‍♀️

EmpressCixi · 06/03/2022 19:55

But yeah, if you want to keep on propping up evil dictators and corrupt multinationals by defending fossil fuels, y'know, you do you 🤷‍♀️

? Even nonevil world leaders and non corrupt multinationals use fossil fuels......

mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 20:01

@crackofdoom

if non fossil fuel power was cheap, we'd have been using it decades ago

Why?

Marketing and propaganda from oil companies has been relentless, from the end of WW2 on, even though they knew about the effects of global warming decades ago. It's still going on. No wonder we have come to see fossil fuels as the default option- and why research and development into renewable alternatives was stifled for far too long.

However, now renewables have been given a chance, their unit price has been plummeting year on year. Given this latest crisis, leading to another spike in the price of gas and oil, this difference is going to become even more marked.

But yeah, if you want to keep on propping up evil dictators and corrupt multinationals by defending fossil fuels, y'know, you do you 🤷‍♀️

I will, and that's whatever it takes, and you can tantrum about it all you like.

Pricing people out the market is a long way from renewable energy getting better

Yika · 06/03/2022 20:04

@savehannah

Wow some of the responses here just sum it up really. People just think it's not their problem and someone else will have to sort it out, and it's only a bunch of whingers who want to stop everyone's fun who are worried.

Government decisions on this are mostly based on money. The meme about "only when there are no more plants and animals will you realise you can't eat money" has never been more true.

A huge proportion of people do have children and grandchildren, so it's astonishing that so many don't seem bothered whether there will be an inhabitable world for them to live in or not.

I agree.
Pedallleur · 06/03/2022 20:08

Fossil fuel companies knew decades ago about it but suppressed the info. No one wanted to make the changes and didn't have the technology available now. Prob too late now.

mummykel16 · 06/03/2022 20:10

@Pedallleur

Fossil fuel companies knew decades ago about it but suppressed the info. No one wanted to make the changes and didn't have the technology available now. Prob too late now.
And they are!
Mum2jenny · 06/03/2022 20:11

Much more relevant things to worry about than global warming. If Putin lets his nukes loose, we will all be screwed.
The whole planet relies on evolution. It’s outwith the control of individuals. Look at history, we are all very small components of change.

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