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Should I allow my child reintroduction to a NC family?

113 replies

NeonKayak · 05/03/2022 21:47

Huge backstory but to summarise :

Violent mother and sister growing up, was sent to other relatives including absent dad school holidays, boarding school, a meeting to get fostered out, all sorts as this sullen, dead quiet, unobtrusive young girl was just too much for the domineering mother with her new marriage and family to bear, seems like. She admitted she had ‘hormonal imbalances’, read as she’s erratic, violent and manipulative. She was sexually abused by her own father she told me, she came from a poor family of 16 siblings, all shacked up in a 3 bedroom London council house.

Left home soon as possible at 18. No contact for a decade, maybe a once yearly visit.

Moved unsurprisingly into a violent adult relationship, ‘rescued’ from it by said mother and now adult violent sister.

Sister fleeced me for money, in both weekly handouts direct from cashpoint and also a big loan she henceforth insisted I imagined.
She has ‘left’ numerous jobs and flatshares due to sexual harassment against her, she says, and acquires and disposes of best friends regularly.

She is childless and engineered custody of her boyfriend’s youngest child (he has several children by different women). This child was the result of his relationship with a 13 year old when he was mid-30s. Sister and Mum dismiss that as ‘everyone makes mistakes’.

Unsurprisingly, sister hates the child’s mother, and when that mother messaged me once to ask my opinion of my sister, I replied honestly that she was violent. I was unaware a custody hearing was impending, and my opinion was used in that hearing apparently.

Because of that, my sister started an online hate campaign against me, involving my violent ex too, and also, bizarrely, my mother, the three of them publishing links to YouTube videos describing psychopaths and narcissists tagging eachother publicly stating things like, ‘that’s her to a tee, isn’t it, it blows my mind’.

My sister also publicly claimed online :

  1. that she was sat in a court room about to sue both myself and her stepchild’s mother for slander. I never heard anything about this.

  2. that she ‘could have me removed from the premises because of the order in place’. We’d crossed paths at a playbarn. I ignored her as she kept walking past trying to catch my eye, so she posted this. There are no orders against me, but her post suggested she had some kind of non molestation order against me.

  3. I eventually sought solicitor advice and they sent a letter to both my ex and my sister. I also took out a PIN against her with the police. (Now defunct due to tit-for-tat potential, its a Police Information Notice, basically a visit from the police to politely request harassment stops). She replied with her own PIN, and shared that action to wider family.

Sorry for the long backstory, it’s relevant though to my question, which is:

I went no contact with all my wider family bar a select few and my other lovely sister, as I believe that family environment is too unhealthy for my children to be part of. Consequently they are strangers to most of them. They have grown up fine, one is happy and sociable the other is old enough to remember her violent dad and has flap ear’d enough over the years to be wary of my other sister. They both see my mum but only occasionally because she tends to let them down most times when arranging to see them.

My mother now wants to take them both a family party My brother’s grandchild. They are strangers to everyone there as they all chose not to attend my wedding, thanks to the phenomenal lies that have circulated. My mother also rang some relatives telling them not to attend the wedding.

I have idea, and never will, what’s been said about me. I’m unable to defend myself. I have never wanted to be active in this family because they are so domineering and intimidating, also stonewalling for decades, having decades long feuds with various members, and so on. I suppose by returning to the town they all live in after so many years away, when I was straight out of a violent relationship with a newborn and toddler and therefore highly vulnerable and mentally trashed, I was ripe for it.

So I’ve kept my children away from them all bar a few (the ‘normal’ ones), and now mother wants to make ‘baby steps’ she said to reunite. But only my children, not me.

My son wants to go to this party, he’s sociable, a pre-teen, he’s too young to remember anything as a baby and I don’t think he’s flap ear’d enough to understand what’s been going on with the wider family. Or maybe he’s just cba with it all like my lovely sister. My daughter doesn’t want to go because she hates parties.

Do I let my son go?
Do I agree to mother’s request for ‘baby steps’ reintroduction to the family that have badmouthed his mother so severely, because it isn’t his fault he hasn’t seen them all over the years, he’s just collateral damage for my mother/sister/ex’s behaviour.

For reference, the children do have contact with my mother (occasionally as I said) and my sister and some of their older nephews. So they are not entirely ousted.

My wish is to keep both children out of the arena altogether.
They have ‘in-laws family’ on my husband’s side who are just normal family, no dramas, so that hopefully gives them a better idea of what’s normal.

My husband says let them go if they want to. They are 12 and 14. What do you think? My AIBU is Yes if I should keep the, away, or No if I should let them go.

Their birth father is absent for many years. If they wanted to contact him, I would let them, once they are 18. I used to think 16, but she’s a year away from that and maturity levels are not ready for his degree of expert manipulation. He strangled me until I almost passed out. He hit me when I was pregnant. He jabbed a huge knife into the fridge door instead of me. He abducted my toddler. My sister also chucked my aunt down the stairs when she was 18. My mother used to chase me around the house as a child for a good hiding until I wet myself with fear. Luckily I’m a free spirit, positive minded, wanderlust type. My itchy feet saved me from staying put and taking it so many times. It’s the only thing that kept me from being damaged.

I agree this is a phenomenal background. I know it’s not rare hence the whole board on here dedicated to it - the ‘Stately Homes’ thread.

So my question might seem trivial, but a simple reintroduction to the family can open my son up to a lifetime of manipulation, starting now, age 12, when he’s still in that younger child maturity level, not quite the cool, together young teenager that he’s soon to be.

What’s your honest opinion?

OP posts:
billy1966 · 08/03/2022 13:17

She told your violent Ex where you live and exposed your children to a scene?

She invites your child but not you?

OP, your boundaries are very poor that you are confused as to what the right thing to do is.

Protect your child.

She is an awful person.

Your son doesn't need her.

He needs YOU to parent him and say NO to this.

Flowers
OakRowan · 10/03/2022 18:48

You've put your son in a terrible position by allowing your mother to have contact like this, to end up with him inviting to a party where dangerous relatives will be, its negligent parenting to allow contact with emotional abusive adults, protect him instead of exposing him to her and the wider damage that your family are capable of. I cannot understand how you are in any contact at all once she told your abusive ex where to find you. Expecting kids to be able tokeep themselves safe emotionally, from abusive people is emotionally abusive in itself. Look after them better. She isn't having contact rarely, that'd be once or twice a year. She is part of your lives and you've let it go so far that he will be hurt by you having to say no party. They aren't safe
Make some changes, it won't get any better otherwise.

NeonKayak · 12/03/2022 22:27

Thankyou @OakRowan and everyone else, blunt opinions are what I needed to hear.

I’m about to text my mother to say I’ve changed my mind. This will start a small war no doubt, she’ll begin with texting my son about my decision despite my request that she doesn’t mention it to him, therefore making me look the bad person for changing my mind about letting him go.

I still don’t know what to tell my son, I don’t want to subject him to the truth about a nanny that he does actually enjoy having a relationship with, however intermittent.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 12/03/2022 22:46

@NeonKayak

Thanks for replies so far.

@Wolfiefan you asked ‘What does your child have to gain’ and I think it’s because I wonder if they deserve a relationship with wider family, as none of this was their fault?

My mother and sister are both widely considered to be wonderful people, my sister runs a Facebook charity group and is always surrounded by lots of people.
Nobody knows about my mums behaviour when I was a child - although my brother used to stand between us when she was after me and all my siblings used to stuff a duvet out of the window when I was locked outside - plus my sister is able to acquire and dispose/crash and burn and rebuild regularly, so that she is never surrounded by the same group of people to unpick her stories. She just ditches them before they become a liability, leaving her character flawless. The pair of the trashed her ex boyfriends flat once, cutting all his clothes up that sort of behaviour.

It all sounds bizarre until you see that 10% of behaviour is absorbed into the 90% of ‘normal’ behaviour they exhibit to the world.

I don't know why there's any contact of any sort with any of them

Your children don't need it or them

Nanny0gg · 12/03/2022 22:47

@NeonKayak

Thankyou *@OakRowan* and everyone else, blunt opinions are what I needed to hear.

I’m about to text my mother to say I’ve changed my mind. This will start a small war no doubt, she’ll begin with texting my son about my decision despite my request that she doesn’t mention it to him, therefore making me look the bad person for changing my mind about letting him go.

I still don’t know what to tell my son, I don’t want to subject him to the truth about a nanny that he does actually enjoy having a relationship with, however intermittent.

Doesn't matter.

If he's old enough to have a phone he's old enough to hear a watered down version of why you shouldn't have anything to do with them

Moodycow78 · 12/03/2022 22:55

No, just no, why would you let someone who you don't have a relationship with have a relationship with your kids? Tell your mum to do one!

Xpologog · 12/03/2022 23:17

No, I wouldn’t.
My parents weren’t violent but made up the strangest stories about me, hinting at God knows what. ( enough for my Godmother to cut me from her Will) This only happened once in front of my children and fortunately another relative rescued us from the situation. What they said about me then devastated my uncle though, whose own daughter had died at the same age I was at the time.
I never let them near my kids again, just wasn’t allowing their poison to spread to my children.

Snaketime · 12/03/2022 23:27

I know you don't want to but you have to tell him the truth before your mother gets in there and tells him whatever lies they have been telling everyone else. Explain that she is a good nanny but she wasn't always a good mother and then tell him the truth and that is why although you will help him to maintain contact either his nanny if that is what he wants, you don't want him to go to the party to see the wider family because of what happened. Please do not let her twist what happened before you get to tell him.

billy1966 · 13/03/2022 07:49

Block her number from his phone.

He shouldn't have a phone if you can't police it.

You sound afraid of your mother which is awful because your children need you to protect them.

A simple version of This is for the best.

You don't go in for a bit explanation, you just say this is for the best.

OakRowan · 13/03/2022 08:50

So the consequences of this will be that she will start to emotionally abuse your son, by text? Cut that off, protect him. They don't deserve contact with him, kids do not need access to abusive families. I have a family my son does not see, because they aren't safe for me as an adult, because they didn't keep us safe in the most serious ways when we were children. The guilt and the obligation still does my head in, I'm sad for the loss of the family life I thought I could have, but I keep my son away and safe. The trigger for this cut off was.my first pregnancy, it became clearer than ever before that they were causing harm, with ways of communicating and behaviours I was.used.to from a whole lifetime, but I couldn't handle any longer. So I walked away, as a.safeguarding/risk assessment measure, the protection of myself and my own small family. I'm the mother now, not her I keep my family safe.
Honestly its a terrible shame he knows her, your son and her mother, that you are.fucked up enough by her that you went back for more, with more children, but I understand it. These ar

OakRowan · 13/03/2022 09:09

It is never too late to cut them off, be the person you wished you had to help you when you were little and keep him safe. You are damaged enough that you protect yourself from them, but have no boundaries around keeping your child safe, that is sad and shocking, but it isn't too late. Be busy that day, arrange something fantastic, then stay busy from.now on. Block the numbers, for you too change phones, delete., back off. Explain why, appropriately, without unloading your own trauma onto your son. The benefits you think exist for him aren't real, it is a fantasy of family life that doesn't exist, you can grieve for that, but don't expose a child to this while you keep your own safe distance, its so, so harmful as you are finding out.

TacoCats · 13/03/2022 09:12

No fucking way.

I'm NC with certain toxic in-laws. Have been for 5 years.
They turned up out of the blue on my doorstep last year expecting to see my DC... no contact before that not even an apology. I shut the door in their face. My DC dont even remember who they are and they aren't missing out.
They are still extremely toxic people as after that they went on Facebook and told a bunch of lies about me and DH! So glad I didn't cave in.

NaomhPadraigin · 13/03/2022 10:10

To answer your question: No, do not let them go.
To answer your unasked question: cut off all contact. Your DC should be protected from your noxious family, and your family do not deserve a relationship with your children. I think you're so deep in it that you can't see how vile it all is, go NC for all your sakes.

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