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AIBU?

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Should I allow my child reintroduction to a NC family?

113 replies

NeonKayak · 05/03/2022 21:47

Huge backstory but to summarise :

Violent mother and sister growing up, was sent to other relatives including absent dad school holidays, boarding school, a meeting to get fostered out, all sorts as this sullen, dead quiet, unobtrusive young girl was just too much for the domineering mother with her new marriage and family to bear, seems like. She admitted she had ‘hormonal imbalances’, read as she’s erratic, violent and manipulative. She was sexually abused by her own father she told me, she came from a poor family of 16 siblings, all shacked up in a 3 bedroom London council house.

Left home soon as possible at 18. No contact for a decade, maybe a once yearly visit.

Moved unsurprisingly into a violent adult relationship, ‘rescued’ from it by said mother and now adult violent sister.

Sister fleeced me for money, in both weekly handouts direct from cashpoint and also a big loan she henceforth insisted I imagined.
She has ‘left’ numerous jobs and flatshares due to sexual harassment against her, she says, and acquires and disposes of best friends regularly.

She is childless and engineered custody of her boyfriend’s youngest child (he has several children by different women). This child was the result of his relationship with a 13 year old when he was mid-30s. Sister and Mum dismiss that as ‘everyone makes mistakes’.

Unsurprisingly, sister hates the child’s mother, and when that mother messaged me once to ask my opinion of my sister, I replied honestly that she was violent. I was unaware a custody hearing was impending, and my opinion was used in that hearing apparently.

Because of that, my sister started an online hate campaign against me, involving my violent ex too, and also, bizarrely, my mother, the three of them publishing links to YouTube videos describing psychopaths and narcissists tagging eachother publicly stating things like, ‘that’s her to a tee, isn’t it, it blows my mind’.

My sister also publicly claimed online :

  1. that she was sat in a court room about to sue both myself and her stepchild’s mother for slander. I never heard anything about this.

  2. that she ‘could have me removed from the premises because of the order in place’. We’d crossed paths at a playbarn. I ignored her as she kept walking past trying to catch my eye, so she posted this. There are no orders against me, but her post suggested she had some kind of non molestation order against me.

  3. I eventually sought solicitor advice and they sent a letter to both my ex and my sister. I also took out a PIN against her with the police. (Now defunct due to tit-for-tat potential, its a Police Information Notice, basically a visit from the police to politely request harassment stops). She replied with her own PIN, and shared that action to wider family.

Sorry for the long backstory, it’s relevant though to my question, which is:

I went no contact with all my wider family bar a select few and my other lovely sister, as I believe that family environment is too unhealthy for my children to be part of. Consequently they are strangers to most of them. They have grown up fine, one is happy and sociable the other is old enough to remember her violent dad and has flap ear’d enough over the years to be wary of my other sister. They both see my mum but only occasionally because she tends to let them down most times when arranging to see them.

My mother now wants to take them both a family party My brother’s grandchild. They are strangers to everyone there as they all chose not to attend my wedding, thanks to the phenomenal lies that have circulated. My mother also rang some relatives telling them not to attend the wedding.

I have idea, and never will, what’s been said about me. I’m unable to defend myself. I have never wanted to be active in this family because they are so domineering and intimidating, also stonewalling for decades, having decades long feuds with various members, and so on. I suppose by returning to the town they all live in after so many years away, when I was straight out of a violent relationship with a newborn and toddler and therefore highly vulnerable and mentally trashed, I was ripe for it.

So I’ve kept my children away from them all bar a few (the ‘normal’ ones), and now mother wants to make ‘baby steps’ she said to reunite. But only my children, not me.

My son wants to go to this party, he’s sociable, a pre-teen, he’s too young to remember anything as a baby and I don’t think he’s flap ear’d enough to understand what’s been going on with the wider family. Or maybe he’s just cba with it all like my lovely sister. My daughter doesn’t want to go because she hates parties.

Do I let my son go?
Do I agree to mother’s request for ‘baby steps’ reintroduction to the family that have badmouthed his mother so severely, because it isn’t his fault he hasn’t seen them all over the years, he’s just collateral damage for my mother/sister/ex’s behaviour.

For reference, the children do have contact with my mother (occasionally as I said) and my sister and some of their older nephews. So they are not entirely ousted.

My wish is to keep both children out of the arena altogether.
They have ‘in-laws family’ on my husband’s side who are just normal family, no dramas, so that hopefully gives them a better idea of what’s normal.

My husband says let them go if they want to. They are 12 and 14. What do you think? My AIBU is Yes if I should keep the, away, or No if I should let them go.

Their birth father is absent for many years. If they wanted to contact him, I would let them, once they are 18. I used to think 16, but she’s a year away from that and maturity levels are not ready for his degree of expert manipulation. He strangled me until I almost passed out. He hit me when I was pregnant. He jabbed a huge knife into the fridge door instead of me. He abducted my toddler. My sister also chucked my aunt down the stairs when she was 18. My mother used to chase me around the house as a child for a good hiding until I wet myself with fear. Luckily I’m a free spirit, positive minded, wanderlust type. My itchy feet saved me from staying put and taking it so many times. It’s the only thing that kept me from being damaged.

I agree this is a phenomenal background. I know it’s not rare hence the whole board on here dedicated to it - the ‘Stately Homes’ thread.

So my question might seem trivial, but a simple reintroduction to the family can open my son up to a lifetime of manipulation, starting now, age 12, when he’s still in that younger child maturity level, not quite the cool, together young teenager that he’s soon to be.

What’s your honest opinion?

OP posts:
NameGoesHere · 06/03/2022 07:26

No way.

Earlybird00 · 06/03/2022 07:41

I am so sorry you have had this life but you have now distanced yourself to a degree. Don't let their toxic influence touch your children. They are very manipulative and no good will come of it. Plan a nice day out together instead

Theremustbemoretome · 06/03/2022 09:08

Absolutely no way do you allow your DC contact with these people. They are pure evil. Of course your DS wants to go to the party - the prospect of a party and seeing ‘family’ seems exciting, but you are the parent and it’s an absolute no for reasons you can explain when he’s old enough and mature enough to understand.

OakRowan · 06/03/2022 09:18

No, never, stay away.
None of them are safe and you would be seriously neglecting your children to put them at risk like this. Ignore your DH, he hasn't had a lifetime of it and people are conditioned to be polite within families. You are still having too much contact with people who aren't safe for you as an adult too. Raise your boundaries even higher, instead of lowering them. What's the worst that could happen? Well you know what, you've lived it. Don't fuck your kids up too, alarming that the have had enough contact so far in their lives that this is even a question.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 06/03/2022 09:20

No way. Why would you even consider letting your kids go to a place, without you, with abusive, violent, lying, unstable adults. Just no.

Liveandkicking · 06/03/2022 09:23

No way. You are their gatekeeper. If your mum wants a relationship with them then she needs to prove herself trustworthy to you, an adult, first before getting unsupervised access to your kids.

They are at a really vulnerable age, more in a way than younger children. Hurtful things will stay with them forever.

I wouldn’t even consider it.

2Gen · 06/03/2022 09:24

@chiangmai

Absolutely no. Why would you allow your teens to be manipulated by your mum. She has no interest in you so I can only assume her interest in your DC is to ensure they are turned against you right in the middle of being hormonal teenagers. I am surprised your DH is suggesting you let them go if they want.
This. If you let them go, and if you allow your M to keep seeing them, there's a real danger she will try to use them as sticks to beat you with, which will hurt and even damage them as well as you. She will likely try to make one or both of them "her creatures", and turn them against you, or, if they won't join in with scapegoating you, she will start treating them the way she's treated you. This whilst they're hormonal teenagers as @chaingmai says. Your DS may be unhappy and cross with you for a bit, but then he'll move on and be more wrapped up with his usual life. Keep your DC away from those toxic, malevolent people. You must protect them from this, as severe a level of dysfucntion as ever I've heard!
Liveandkicking · 06/03/2022 09:27

As someone with absolutely mental family members I would also strongly advise telling your kids the truth. They don’t need all the details but it’s unfair for them to be potentially unaware of adults who might come up to them and say things if you live in the same town.
I wish so much my parents had said something as simple as “your uncle behaves really terribly sometimes. If he ever tries to do that to you, walk away and contact me straight away”. But because I was a polite teenager I felt I couldn’t stand up to mental family members who sometimes accosted me in the street.

DazedandConcerned · 06/03/2022 09:30

No.
Fuck it.
Fuck that.
Fuck that shit.

Do not get drawn in. They’ll shit all over you to your kids. Never ever get involved in that noise. I grew up in a similar environment where my mums siblings hates her guts along with both of my grandmas for no good reason. Mum got lucky I just turned into an unfeeling cold hearted bitch. The alternative is that I’d have cut her off.

The people who are supposed to love you the most frequently lie to you the MOST. Don’t let your children become manipulated pawns in some game.

bananaboats · 06/03/2022 09:38

I don't know why you would even consider this tbh or why you would allow your children to have any relationship at all with your mum.

FuckThatBullshit · 06/03/2022 09:41

I wouldn't even want these scumbags to know where I live

Rubyupbeat · 06/03/2022 09:42

The whole history is bad enough, but then the fact she wants nothing to do with you is very scary! I am sure it's so they can all get their claws into the children and drip feed poison about you, which even if it doesn't turn them against you, it will thoroughly mess their heads up.
Please keep them away.

DdraigGoch · 06/03/2022 09:45

The short answer is "no".

The long answer is "have you considered emigrating?"

Gizacluethen · 06/03/2022 09:49

Will your lovely sister be there and able to look after them/ protect them/ bring them home if required. If no to any of the above then no. Your kid will want to do lots of things that aren't good for him. Him wanting to go is irrelevant in this case.

thewhatsit · 06/03/2022 09:52

No no no no.

And I do disagree with your idea that they potentially have something to gain from associating with these people that others regard highly. The fact is, you KNOW what they are like and what they are capable of so the fact that many others are still in the dark is not relevant.

Trunumber · 06/03/2022 09:55

No. The best thing my mum ever did for me was protect me from her toxic family. I'm happy and healthy because of it, my cousins aren't.

bedheadedzombie · 06/03/2022 09:58

Tbh I think that the best thing for your childrens future emotional being is to have no contact with anyone from your family and past and to move to the other side of the country without a forwarding address. Why would you risk your kids hearing lies about you or being manipulated? Even if one sister is nice, via her they could come in contact with the toxic ones at family birthdays and such. Wouldn't you rather leave your whole past behind you?

Cherrysoup · 06/03/2022 10:18

Don’t let your kids anywhere near any of those lunatics.

Oddbobbyboo · 06/03/2022 10:18

No no no no no no no no no no no! NO!!!
He can live without the party! They are not little trophies for your mother to show off…
Follow your gut! No no no no no no!!
You husband, I imagine, cannot even begin to comprehend the level of abuse you have experienced because he’s been fortunate not to experience it. I’m sure witnessing it would blow his mind. I’m sorry people don’t change.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 06/03/2022 10:22

My honest opinion is are you fucking insane?
Your children shouldn't be allowed anywhere near any of them ever. Take giant steps away from them.
I speak from experience.

shockedandsadd · 06/03/2022 10:25

No no no!! Coming from a similar toxic/violent background, I have done everything to ensure my children do not ever experience the same. Keep both kids well away , I would also question whether they should continue with the infrequent visits with your mum ??

heartmag · 06/03/2022 10:27

No.

While they are under 18 you make the decision and you are right to protect them from potential toxic behaviour against them.

When they turn 18 they can decide.

End of conversation.

heartmag · 06/03/2022 10:29

When DC are 18 I recommend you sit down and give an unemotional account of what you have experienced from these people.

Forewarned is forearmed.

MrsPerfect12 · 06/03/2022 10:34

No way. They could turn your children against you. Then what.

autumnboys · 06/03/2022 10:35

Absolutely not. They sound toxic as hell. Don’t let your children anywhere near them.

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