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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Should I allow my child reintroduction to a NC family?

113 replies

NeonKayak · 05/03/2022 21:47

Huge backstory but to summarise :

Violent mother and sister growing up, was sent to other relatives including absent dad school holidays, boarding school, a meeting to get fostered out, all sorts as this sullen, dead quiet, unobtrusive young girl was just too much for the domineering mother with her new marriage and family to bear, seems like. She admitted she had ‘hormonal imbalances’, read as she’s erratic, violent and manipulative. She was sexually abused by her own father she told me, she came from a poor family of 16 siblings, all shacked up in a 3 bedroom London council house.

Left home soon as possible at 18. No contact for a decade, maybe a once yearly visit.

Moved unsurprisingly into a violent adult relationship, ‘rescued’ from it by said mother and now adult violent sister.

Sister fleeced me for money, in both weekly handouts direct from cashpoint and also a big loan she henceforth insisted I imagined.
She has ‘left’ numerous jobs and flatshares due to sexual harassment against her, she says, and acquires and disposes of best friends regularly.

She is childless and engineered custody of her boyfriend’s youngest child (he has several children by different women). This child was the result of his relationship with a 13 year old when he was mid-30s. Sister and Mum dismiss that as ‘everyone makes mistakes’.

Unsurprisingly, sister hates the child’s mother, and when that mother messaged me once to ask my opinion of my sister, I replied honestly that she was violent. I was unaware a custody hearing was impending, and my opinion was used in that hearing apparently.

Because of that, my sister started an online hate campaign against me, involving my violent ex too, and also, bizarrely, my mother, the three of them publishing links to YouTube videos describing psychopaths and narcissists tagging eachother publicly stating things like, ‘that’s her to a tee, isn’t it, it blows my mind’.

My sister also publicly claimed online :

  1. that she was sat in a court room about to sue both myself and her stepchild’s mother for slander. I never heard anything about this.

  2. that she ‘could have me removed from the premises because of the order in place’. We’d crossed paths at a playbarn. I ignored her as she kept walking past trying to catch my eye, so she posted this. There are no orders against me, but her post suggested she had some kind of non molestation order against me.

  3. I eventually sought solicitor advice and they sent a letter to both my ex and my sister. I also took out a PIN against her with the police. (Now defunct due to tit-for-tat potential, its a Police Information Notice, basically a visit from the police to politely request harassment stops). She replied with her own PIN, and shared that action to wider family.

Sorry for the long backstory, it’s relevant though to my question, which is:

I went no contact with all my wider family bar a select few and my other lovely sister, as I believe that family environment is too unhealthy for my children to be part of. Consequently they are strangers to most of them. They have grown up fine, one is happy and sociable the other is old enough to remember her violent dad and has flap ear’d enough over the years to be wary of my other sister. They both see my mum but only occasionally because she tends to let them down most times when arranging to see them.

My mother now wants to take them both a family party My brother’s grandchild. They are strangers to everyone there as they all chose not to attend my wedding, thanks to the phenomenal lies that have circulated. My mother also rang some relatives telling them not to attend the wedding.

I have idea, and never will, what’s been said about me. I’m unable to defend myself. I have never wanted to be active in this family because they are so domineering and intimidating, also stonewalling for decades, having decades long feuds with various members, and so on. I suppose by returning to the town they all live in after so many years away, when I was straight out of a violent relationship with a newborn and toddler and therefore highly vulnerable and mentally trashed, I was ripe for it.

So I’ve kept my children away from them all bar a few (the ‘normal’ ones), and now mother wants to make ‘baby steps’ she said to reunite. But only my children, not me.

My son wants to go to this party, he’s sociable, a pre-teen, he’s too young to remember anything as a baby and I don’t think he’s flap ear’d enough to understand what’s been going on with the wider family. Or maybe he’s just cba with it all like my lovely sister. My daughter doesn’t want to go because she hates parties.

Do I let my son go?
Do I agree to mother’s request for ‘baby steps’ reintroduction to the family that have badmouthed his mother so severely, because it isn’t his fault he hasn’t seen them all over the years, he’s just collateral damage for my mother/sister/ex’s behaviour.

For reference, the children do have contact with my mother (occasionally as I said) and my sister and some of their older nephews. So they are not entirely ousted.

My wish is to keep both children out of the arena altogether.
They have ‘in-laws family’ on my husband’s side who are just normal family, no dramas, so that hopefully gives them a better idea of what’s normal.

My husband says let them go if they want to. They are 12 and 14. What do you think? My AIBU is Yes if I should keep the, away, or No if I should let them go.

Their birth father is absent for many years. If they wanted to contact him, I would let them, once they are 18. I used to think 16, but she’s a year away from that and maturity levels are not ready for his degree of expert manipulation. He strangled me until I almost passed out. He hit me when I was pregnant. He jabbed a huge knife into the fridge door instead of me. He abducted my toddler. My sister also chucked my aunt down the stairs when she was 18. My mother used to chase me around the house as a child for a good hiding until I wet myself with fear. Luckily I’m a free spirit, positive minded, wanderlust type. My itchy feet saved me from staying put and taking it so many times. It’s the only thing that kept me from being damaged.

I agree this is a phenomenal background. I know it’s not rare hence the whole board on here dedicated to it - the ‘Stately Homes’ thread.

So my question might seem trivial, but a simple reintroduction to the family can open my son up to a lifetime of manipulation, starting now, age 12, when he’s still in that younger child maturity level, not quite the cool, together young teenager that he’s soon to be.

What’s your honest opinion?

OP posts:
Teaandtoastedbiscuits · 05/03/2022 22:22

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Usernameinsponeeded · 05/03/2022 22:24

No, you owe them nothing.

titchy · 05/03/2022 22:26

They shouldn't have had ANY contact ever, and neither should you. So no. Obviously.

ChipButtyCurrySauce · 05/03/2022 22:28

Hell no. I'm NC with my Mother and sister for less than you and there's no way I'd let her anywhere near my kids!

Nostrings457 · 05/03/2022 22:28

Most of the time I am all for family reconciling etc.. but this is a clear no from me. You’ve been treated appallingly by your M and S not to mention the relationship.

I really cannot see what good would come from letting your DC into this environment other than cause his some sort of trauma further down the line.

Stay firm, clear boundaries and remember you don’t owe them anything.

NeonKayak · 05/03/2022 22:33

Thanks for replies so far.

@Wolfiefan you asked ‘What does your child have to gain’ and I think it’s because I wonder if they deserve a relationship with wider family, as none of this was their fault?

My mother and sister are both widely considered to be wonderful people, my sister runs a Facebook charity group and is always surrounded by lots of people.
Nobody knows about my mums behaviour when I was a child - although my brother used to stand between us when she was after me and all my siblings used to stuff a duvet out of the window when I was locked outside - plus my sister is able to acquire and dispose/crash and burn and rebuild regularly, so that she is never surrounded by the same group of people to unpick her stories. She just ditches them before they become a liability, leaving her character flawless. The pair of the trashed her ex boyfriends flat once, cutting all his clothes up that sort of behaviour.

It all sounds bizarre until you see that 10% of behaviour is absorbed into the 90% of ‘normal’ behaviour they exhibit to the world.

OP posts:
Wolfiefan · 05/03/2022 22:35

I’m NC with my dad. To many people I’m sure he is a lovely bloke. At home he was abusive. No way do my kids “deserve” to be exposed to that. They do deserve to be protected from it.

LittleOwl153 · 05/03/2022 22:36

No way. Why would youbwant to gift your children to a family who have tried to destroy you. Personally I would keep them well away from your mother too and don't know why you let her see them. She will turn them against you if you don't cut her out.

Scout2016 · 05/03/2022 22:48

No. You have protected your children with NC for good reasons and those reasons still stand.

Tombero · 05/03/2022 22:50

No, I wouldn’t let my children anywhere near them, and especially not without me there.

I think I’d explain in an appropriate way to my children why as well so that you are owning the narrative and they’re not being fed lies from your mother.

FrenchBoule · 05/03/2022 22:50

OP, I would second what @Justilou1 said

FUCK NO

You said yourself this whole situation is Stately Home deserving. I’m not sure if I ever posted there but I read it frequently. I’m in awe of people who managed to break the cycle of abuse.

Your children deserve to be loved and cherished and not exposed to volatile people in the name of “deserving a relationship” whether they are related or not.
Absent relative is better than violent relative so give your children peaceful life.
The examples you gave of the treatment your mother dished out on you are absolutely appalling. Is that what you want to subject your children to?
No,just no.

Dashel · 05/03/2022 22:54

Hell no, they will be damaged by then and you can’t trust them not to turn your kids against you or use them as a weapon.

RobotValkyrie · 05/03/2022 22:58

Don't. They will hurt and/or weaponise your child, one way or another.

Scout2016 · 05/03/2022 23:01

Also, why have you re-established contact with your mum? She's already letting the kids down, which is nothing compared to her past behaviour towards you, but still shitty. How do you know she won't take against them sometime too?

drpet49 · 05/03/2022 23:04

** No way.
Not a chance.
Never ever.
Fuck that.
Hope that helps.
You fail your dc if you allow them anywhere near any of them OP**

^This. Why on earth have you re-establisbed contact???

AlisonDonut · 05/03/2022 23:08

No.

And you need to block future invites, how did news of this even get through?

thegcatsmother · 05/03/2022 23:09

No. We've been NC with mil for 11 years now. Any communication is via solicitors. All the gc know why, and as adults in their mid to late 20s now, have chosen not to see their grandmother since their teens.

Your kids do not need to experience the manipulation, or the 'truth' they will be told about you. They will be damaged, and so would your relationship with them. Do not go there.

Prettynails · 05/03/2022 23:09

No. And you should be nc too and everything should be stopped - cut them all of all the root. No social media nothing and for gods sake get yourself into counselling and deal with your childhood trauma - it is not your fault please please please get counselling - I went nc last March and a year on I am just starting to heal - it has changed my life

rolypolydoly · 05/03/2022 23:19

Good lord no. Protect your kids. Keep them away from this toxicity. Do not let your mother near them.

bowlingalleyblues · 05/03/2022 23:21

Bit confused by the voting options - I voted YANBU to keep your kids away from the party. I’m surprised you let them see your mother (not judging, I can see it’s a very complex situation) and I think it’s fine to just have contact with stable reliable relatives.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 05/03/2022 23:21

I think your children are still too young to be exposed to them. Even adults are fooled by them. Why would you risk it?

ScrollingLeaves · 05/03/2022 23:29

and now mother wants to make ‘baby steps’ she said to reunite. But only my children, not me

No.
Never.
No.

Go somewhere nice together the weekend of the party if you can.

Justilou1 · 05/03/2022 23:50

Just coming back here to say that I fell into the lie that my kids deserved a relationship with my mum even if she was vile to me. She died when they were 11 (twins) and 13. They will happily tell me now they are 15 & 17 that she offered nothing positive to their lives. She was divisive, manipulative, aggressive and frightening. I regret every second they spent with her. She attempted to coerce them into lying to me (fortunately I had that covered VERY early on, and they told her from the beginning that they never would.). Her behaviour with them became increasingly entitled, intrusive, controlling and erratic. I ended up having to limit contact very severely even though we lived on opposite sides of the planet in the last few years of her life. She tried to use money as a weapon. (We wouldn’t accept it, but she gave the impression that we did.) I would give her a swerve.

Meatshake · 06/03/2022 00:23

God no, and I'd tell him exactly why as well.

Russell19 · 06/03/2022 07:05

Absolutely no way

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