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Should I allow my child reintroduction to a NC family?

113 replies

NeonKayak · 05/03/2022 21:47

Huge backstory but to summarise :

Violent mother and sister growing up, was sent to other relatives including absent dad school holidays, boarding school, a meeting to get fostered out, all sorts as this sullen, dead quiet, unobtrusive young girl was just too much for the domineering mother with her new marriage and family to bear, seems like. She admitted she had ‘hormonal imbalances’, read as she’s erratic, violent and manipulative. She was sexually abused by her own father she told me, she came from a poor family of 16 siblings, all shacked up in a 3 bedroom London council house.

Left home soon as possible at 18. No contact for a decade, maybe a once yearly visit.

Moved unsurprisingly into a violent adult relationship, ‘rescued’ from it by said mother and now adult violent sister.

Sister fleeced me for money, in both weekly handouts direct from cashpoint and also a big loan she henceforth insisted I imagined.
She has ‘left’ numerous jobs and flatshares due to sexual harassment against her, she says, and acquires and disposes of best friends regularly.

She is childless and engineered custody of her boyfriend’s youngest child (he has several children by different women). This child was the result of his relationship with a 13 year old when he was mid-30s. Sister and Mum dismiss that as ‘everyone makes mistakes’.

Unsurprisingly, sister hates the child’s mother, and when that mother messaged me once to ask my opinion of my sister, I replied honestly that she was violent. I was unaware a custody hearing was impending, and my opinion was used in that hearing apparently.

Because of that, my sister started an online hate campaign against me, involving my violent ex too, and also, bizarrely, my mother, the three of them publishing links to YouTube videos describing psychopaths and narcissists tagging eachother publicly stating things like, ‘that’s her to a tee, isn’t it, it blows my mind’.

My sister also publicly claimed online :

  1. that she was sat in a court room about to sue both myself and her stepchild’s mother for slander. I never heard anything about this.

  2. that she ‘could have me removed from the premises because of the order in place’. We’d crossed paths at a playbarn. I ignored her as she kept walking past trying to catch my eye, so she posted this. There are no orders against me, but her post suggested she had some kind of non molestation order against me.

  3. I eventually sought solicitor advice and they sent a letter to both my ex and my sister. I also took out a PIN against her with the police. (Now defunct due to tit-for-tat potential, its a Police Information Notice, basically a visit from the police to politely request harassment stops). She replied with her own PIN, and shared that action to wider family.

Sorry for the long backstory, it’s relevant though to my question, which is:

I went no contact with all my wider family bar a select few and my other lovely sister, as I believe that family environment is too unhealthy for my children to be part of. Consequently they are strangers to most of them. They have grown up fine, one is happy and sociable the other is old enough to remember her violent dad and has flap ear’d enough over the years to be wary of my other sister. They both see my mum but only occasionally because she tends to let them down most times when arranging to see them.

My mother now wants to take them both a family party My brother’s grandchild. They are strangers to everyone there as they all chose not to attend my wedding, thanks to the phenomenal lies that have circulated. My mother also rang some relatives telling them not to attend the wedding.

I have idea, and never will, what’s been said about me. I’m unable to defend myself. I have never wanted to be active in this family because they are so domineering and intimidating, also stonewalling for decades, having decades long feuds with various members, and so on. I suppose by returning to the town they all live in after so many years away, when I was straight out of a violent relationship with a newborn and toddler and therefore highly vulnerable and mentally trashed, I was ripe for it.

So I’ve kept my children away from them all bar a few (the ‘normal’ ones), and now mother wants to make ‘baby steps’ she said to reunite. But only my children, not me.

My son wants to go to this party, he’s sociable, a pre-teen, he’s too young to remember anything as a baby and I don’t think he’s flap ear’d enough to understand what’s been going on with the wider family. Or maybe he’s just cba with it all like my lovely sister. My daughter doesn’t want to go because she hates parties.

Do I let my son go?
Do I agree to mother’s request for ‘baby steps’ reintroduction to the family that have badmouthed his mother so severely, because it isn’t his fault he hasn’t seen them all over the years, he’s just collateral damage for my mother/sister/ex’s behaviour.

For reference, the children do have contact with my mother (occasionally as I said) and my sister and some of their older nephews. So they are not entirely ousted.

My wish is to keep both children out of the arena altogether.
They have ‘in-laws family’ on my husband’s side who are just normal family, no dramas, so that hopefully gives them a better idea of what’s normal.

My husband says let them go if they want to. They are 12 and 14. What do you think? My AIBU is Yes if I should keep the, away, or No if I should let them go.

Their birth father is absent for many years. If they wanted to contact him, I would let them, once they are 18. I used to think 16, but she’s a year away from that and maturity levels are not ready for his degree of expert manipulation. He strangled me until I almost passed out. He hit me when I was pregnant. He jabbed a huge knife into the fridge door instead of me. He abducted my toddler. My sister also chucked my aunt down the stairs when she was 18. My mother used to chase me around the house as a child for a good hiding until I wet myself with fear. Luckily I’m a free spirit, positive minded, wanderlust type. My itchy feet saved me from staying put and taking it so many times. It’s the only thing that kept me from being damaged.

I agree this is a phenomenal background. I know it’s not rare hence the whole board on here dedicated to it - the ‘Stately Homes’ thread.

So my question might seem trivial, but a simple reintroduction to the family can open my son up to a lifetime of manipulation, starting now, age 12, when he’s still in that younger child maturity level, not quite the cool, together young teenager that he’s soon to be.

What’s your honest opinion?

OP posts:
Shinyballs · 06/03/2022 10:35

No. You will be inviting them back into your world to cause pain and abuse, this time it will be via your son.

notthatonethisone · 06/03/2022 10:36

Not a chance

I only had to read half of that.

Protect your child. I'm so sorry you've been through this shit Thanks

JohannSebastianBach · 06/03/2022 10:37

No way and I would cut ALL contact.

I would also explain why to your children.

Pinkbonbon · 06/03/2022 10:39

Gosh no.

Why on earth is your husband suggesting letting them go? That's insane.

Pinkbonbon · 06/03/2022 10:43

And tell your kids why. Show them this thread if they aren't happy about it so that they can see the majority of people would feel exactly the same as you.

I wish my mum had protected me from my abusive grandmother. Toxic people don't belong in anyone's life, let alone a teenagers. I would discourage them from all contact. And focus on teaching them how to spot abuse and abuser techniques.

Theunamedcat · 06/03/2022 10:47

No

And in case you didn't hear me the first time

NO!

why you allow them anywhere near your children is beyond me its your business but work on your boundaries and your husbands boundaries too if he sees no harm in these toxic people

And incase you missed it

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

ItsOverFlo · 06/03/2022 11:24

NO.
Sounds like your kids have lots of healthy relationships already. Unlike you had at that age.
I know it's just a party and there will be loads of other parties. I'd explain to your son the reason in very simplistic terms without any detail.
Both my kids have manipulitive and unstable dads. I've never bad mouthed them, but they've come to their own conclusions about what is healthy and what isn't.
Your kids don't know or need to know these people. I'd not bother. More drama to handle when you don't have to.

Enko · 06/03/2022 14:58

This is babysitters alright.. babysteps to get your children against you.

If she wanted reconciliation it would be with you.

Don't let them close

Enko · 06/03/2022 14:59

Baby steps not babysitter (I corrected it twice too)

IDidntKnowItWasAParty · 07/03/2022 12:16

Absolutely not.
I'm astounded that your husband is suggesting it.

NeonKayak · 07/03/2022 12:30

Husband had the same thoughts as me. We’ve discussed it more in depth now and I’ve decided it’s not going ahead.

Son is too young to read this thread as others have suggested, in the OP it details past abuse that he’s currently unaware of so I don’t want to subject him to that.

Now I have to find a way of getting out of it as my mother texted my son to ask him and he said yes.

I don’t think she’ll do her usual letting him down as it’s a big party, I’m not lying to him and I’m not telling him the actual reason why. Unfortunately I’m also on shift to work that day so I can’t plan a day out instead [comfused]

Thankyou for all the replies, it’s made me see it in a different light, I don’t have dozens of friends to canvass about this sort of thing so MN hive mind has been really helpful Flowers

OP posts:
TimeForTeaAndG · 07/03/2022 12:53

He is 12. You say that he should have asked you first because you would have told him he is not allowed to go. In an age appropriate way you say that there will be people there who are not very nice. Then you message your mum saying that he will not be attending. And begin no-contact with them all.

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 07/03/2022 13:24

No no no no no no no. They will slander you. Fuck no. They've lost any chance for a relationship with your children over how fucking badly they treated you. NOOOOOOOO.

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 07/03/2022 13:25

Block her on every single device in your home too.

IWentAwayIStayedAway · 07/03/2022 13:30

No!

billy1966 · 07/03/2022 14:16

Absolutely not.

Do not entertain them.

Don't offer your son a choice.

Why have you re engaged with them.

Absolutely not.
Ever.

Well done for making a good life.

Kindly meant but don't fxck it up now by engaging in this.

People do not change IMO.

Flowers
GettingItOutThere · 07/03/2022 14:18

no

no fucking way - you have a responsibility to safe guard, go NC immediately.

no no no no no no no

no way on earth. block, delete and remove yourself from their lives and protect your children by doing the same

GettingItOutThere · 07/03/2022 14:20

@NeonKayak

Husband had the same thoughts as me. We’ve discussed it more in depth now and I’ve decided it’s not going ahead.

Son is too young to read this thread as others have suggested, in the OP it details past abuse that he’s currently unaware of so I don’t want to subject him to that.

Now I have to find a way of getting out of it as my mother texted my son to ask him and he said yes.

I don’t think she’ll do her usual letting him down as it’s a big party, I’m not lying to him and I’m not telling him the actual reason why. Unfortunately I’m also on shift to work that day so I can’t plan a day out instead [comfused]

Thankyou for all the replies, it’s made me see it in a different light, I don’t have dozens of friends to canvass about this sort of thing so MN hive mind has been really helpful Flowers

also block her from your sons phone, she should not be allowed to contact him direct! either or your children.

she will use him to manipulate the situation,

HappyintheHills · 07/03/2022 14:27

No way. And the voting confused me.

Gregsprinkles · 07/03/2022 20:51

OMG, just NO! I'm glad you've decided against it but you really need to block your mother from contacting your children in anyway.

PikachuAndMe · 07/03/2022 20:53

Block her from your son's phone. How dare she make plans with him without your say so.

Girlmumdogmumboymum · 07/03/2022 22:03

You would be absolutely insane to let your children in that position.
Infact I do wonder why your children are even allowed around your mother....am I seeing things, do they also see your violent sister?

No... dint expose your children to people like this OP

billy1966 · 08/03/2022 09:30

OP,

You tell your son that "adult relationships are complicated and that you do NOT have a positive relationship with X and Y and that is why he isn't going" and you can further say "that might be confusing for you, but ALL you need to know is that I will only ever do what I think is best for you and your sister".

And that is it.
He's 12, he just has to accept it.

Block her number from his phone.
She should not be contacting him directly.
Further evidence of disrespect.Flowers

NeonKayak · 08/03/2022 12:47

@Girlmumdogmumboymum I figured that allowing them phone contact (it’s very rare from my mother’s side anyway that she’s contacts them, once every few weeks) was a good thing to maintain some kind of relationship.

She is allowed to visit them here but she only drops off presents kerbside on birthdays/xmas/Easter. She’s allowed in the house but so far hasn’t. My son has been to see her a few times at her house.

Something else I didn’t mention that she once allowed the children’s birth father (my violent ex) to lodge at her house, then sent him round to our address, which I’d managed to keep secret from him for a few years. That inevitably resulted in police being called out, the children watching it all from the window safe inside whilst he acted crazy. This was. A couple of years ago now.

My mother isn’t the same as when I was a child, it was only me she was nasty to, she isn’t to any of her grandchildren, she is very considerate to all her many grandchildren and great grandchildren.

She’s in her 70s now and frail, but still has a nasty tongue on her and a bright mind. She passes her phone round to let people read text conversations between us, no matter how private or argumentative, that’s the kind of person she still is. It’s the reason my brother has stonewalled me, she let him read texts between us when we were discussing my childhood and what she like, it escalated, some blunt words were said between us, so she let my brother see the conversation, and then he decided I was going to ‘murder’ her with a heart attack if I kept texting her like this. Really, it’s a private conversation between two grown women over 50, tentatively discussing their past, no swearing, nothing heinous (I don’t swear. Ever) but he has form for this apparently which I didn’t know about until I moved to their town. He has also stonewalled my other sisters.

My sister has been violent quite a few times in her adult life, but we went NC with her a few years ago now after her hate campaign. The day that online harrassment became a criminal offence, she stopped abruptly. I never participated in it, other than to reveal her dozens of phoney usernames she’d created ot make various FB profiles to post stuff about me and my family on.

The children never see her, they know why in her case, and they don’t want to see her anyway. I also do what I can to avoid them crossing paths, difficult sometimes as we all live in the same town.

I have until May I think it is, to find a way of letting my son down over this as he does want to go to the party. Someone posted that the family should be inviting all of us, not just him, and that says something about them. You may be right.

OP posts:
Aimee1987 · 08/03/2022 12:52

Dont let your kids near that

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