Not to pay childminders travel expenses

[AdviceNeeded367]

Last summer, Childminder asked for an extra £10 per week to help pay for activities while she has DS.

In December, she demanded a 27% payrise.

Today she has demanded a 45p per mile travel expense.

AIBU to tell her a flat No?

£310 for the weekend??

You sound seriously confused about her employment status, and that's putting you both at risk.

If she is employed, you need to:

1. Issue her with a Statement of Main Terms of Employment (contract)
2. Offer her access to a workplace pension scheme and pay employers' NI (assuming she earns over 10k, but it sounds like she does)
3. Offer her a minimum of 20 days' holiday per year, pro-rata, or an equivalent in pay, if she has a zero hours contract And much more.

Seek legal advice.

www.gov.uk/night-working-hours

Yes you should be paying her travel and activities - you employ her! That's your role as an employer. Also, he uses her utilities so fair enough to charge extra for living costs as she's more likely to turn heating on etc if a small child is there. You are being massively unreasonable.

@LoisLane66 OP said her child is collected Friday night, brought back on Sunday lunch, so two overnights, plus time Fri, Sat & Sun.

Offer to drop your son to hers? Otherwise, I do think it's fair. Carers are paid mileage when they travel to houses on top of getting their wages, so I presume it's similar to that. The car will have wear and tear over time when she drives your child around.

I think some posters are misunderstanding that you only get paid hourly overnight if you are required to stay awake. A flat standard overnight is normal when you can also sleep on the job. Lots of people do discuss terms as an employee and wage they would like. As the one paying it you have to agree to it.
I can totally understand why you are flabbergasted at being asked for another increase in wage after recently agreeing one. However, I can also understand why she is asking for it. Fuel has risen astronomically recently. It has risen 10p a litre here in 4 days! 40p increase since Christmas. It is only going to go up more.
To be honest if you like her and the job she is doing, for the sake of a few extra quid I would give it. At the minute I am begrudging doing a school run as I can only think how much it is costing me in fuel.

Ok. You have blurred the lines massively @AdviceNeeded367

A cm looks after in their own home and is se

A nanny is employed and works in family home

You lady can’t look after your dc as an employed nanny in her own home fir over 2hrs a day

Her insurance won’t be valid

I hope she has pli

You are massively underpaying for the hours

What gross rate did you agree on if you have employed her

Obv she will want petrol costs and yes 45p per hour

If she is taking your child to activity’s you need to pay for them

@MadameGazelleBand

If you can't see you're getting a good deal here in terms of someone who has a good relationship with your child and is willing to provide respite on this basis of a whole weekend- you are mad.

You are not paying her correctly. She doesn't owe you anything, she's entitled to tell you what she requires for the job. I'm sorry but you pay the travel and expenses and preferably up her rate too or she will go elsewhere.

And I'm guessing you won't find anyone else to help you out like this.

This. She’s asking for another £18 per weekend. Have you seen the price of petrol lately @AdviceNeeded367? It’s gone through the roof.

I think you've been unfairly charged.
I'll disconnect from the whole weekend thing that you've got going on and say that the 27% increase is absurd ... if Tesco suddenly charge an extra 27% on their prices , we'd all be screaming.
45p a mile does seem a bit much but who knows how much a Land Rover/fiat tipo costs to run.

It does sound like your nanny/childminder is passing all of her increases on to you.

I think that you might need to have another look at childcare provision but, BUT, you want weekend provision... and that is a whole level of different pricing.

Or put another way..... working 48hours.
Which is considerably more than a normal working week, for which she is being paid than a normal working week.

@ButtockUp

I think you've been unfairly charged. I'll disconnect from the whole weekend thing that you've got going on and say that the 27% increase is absurd ... if Tesco suddenly charge an extra 27% on their prices , we'd all be screaming. 45p a mile does seem a bit much but who knows how much a Land Rover/fiat tipo costs to run.

It does sound like your nanny/childminder is passing all of her increases on to you.

I think that you might need to have another look at childcare provision but, BUT, you want weekend provision... and that is a whole level of different pricing.

That's a ridiculous comparison because last time I checked I'm not asking Tesco to pay for me to shop there. This Nanny/childminder/babysitter is paying a considerable amount to work for the OP.

Work pays you. You don't pay to work.

PS.. if your nanny decides , without prior permission, to drive your children 20 miles to a pleasure park/beach/museum then it's on her , not you.

@ButtockUp

I think you've been unfairly charged. I'll disconnect from the whole weekend thing that you've got going on and say that the 27% increase is absurd ... if Tesco suddenly charge an extra 27% on their prices , we'd all be screaming. 45p a mile does seem a bit much but who knows how much a Land Rover/fiat tipo costs to run.

It does sound like your nanny/childminder is passing all of her increases on to you.

I think that you might need to have another look at childcare provision but, BUT, you want weekend provision... and that is a whole level of different pricing.

The % increase isn't relevant if they were underpaying in the first place. There's also definitely things the OP should be paying for, the employee shouldn't be going out of pocket in her job caring for the OP's child. It sounds like the increase has brought it more inline with the service that the OP is actually getting.

Think some people are giving you a hard time. You clearly need the respite giving your son has SEN. Normally when doing sleeping nights (8 hrs) it's only about £20-30 and then the hours awake with them is what you get paid per hour. Roughly get about £9-10 p/h for that (min wage roughly).
So for Friday and Saturday night £60, hours roughly from 5pm Friday to 12pm Sunday is 27 hours (minus 16 for the 2 nights).
works out £330 without expenses for food and outings etc.
That is roughly what someone would get for doing that sort of shift at say a respite centre. Of course they would have NI cont. /tax / pension taking from that first.
So it's whether you can afford it and you think she deserves that or otherwise go to 1 day rather than the whole weekend.

I’m relieved to hear that! I was really worried by some posts that I should be paying her to sleep.

You are paying her to leap out of bed and tend to your child should he need her, you are not paying her to sleep.

The whole arrangement is very unusual, to have children overnight as a childminder there's very specific licensing, and specific insurance requirements - is this all in place otherwise both she and you could have issues. I would expect to pay mileage in these circumstances

@AdviceNeeded367

She collects him on Friday evening and brings him home lunch time on Sunday.

This is travel for work. HMRC rates for travel have been 45p per mile for years. So yes you should be paying. She shouldn't be out of pocket for doing her job.

Do you expect your employer to pay your expenses or do you fund this out of your own pocket?

Finding good respite for a child with SEN is really difficult. You sound like you have found someone you trust and who does a good job. That’s priceless so in all honesty I think I’m your situation I would pay the extra.

As a side note if you get dla for your child over a certain rate you could get direct payments to pay towards this sort of thing

So do you not spend time with your child at weekends?

If she’s good and your sons needs are met then yes- if this is occasional then why not . A weekend away is more and if you need the care weekend is hard to get childcare for.

She needs to be Ofsted registered to look after your child in her home.

Yes I would expect to pay her a petrol allowance, you are getting a bargain price for weekend childcare.

I’m confused by the aunty/nephew comment earlier. Is this just a comparison, or are they actually related to you?

Do some research and see what the same childcare would cost elsewhere. Then you can decide whether to say no and find someone else or whether what you are paying, although more than you were paying, is still within what is a reasonable price for the service