As always on these threads
TORIES ARE NOT PRO WOMEN
1 they never have been anyway!
2 they STARTED the gra crap AND are behind all the awful changes we are currently dealing with in that respect they're just being bloody quiet about the fact they are - if you are deciding your vote based on this you ARE extremely foolish to think tories are on the side of women!
When you ALSO consider how horrifically they are treating public services inc the nhs, small businesses, young people, women, non whites and immigrants, the sick and disabled
AND how they are fucking things up economically
AND how corruptly they are dealing with the housing crisis (or rather NOT doing so in order to line their own pockets!)
AND how badly they handled the pandemic
Then it IS stupid and nonsensical to vote Tory unless you are independently wealthy enough that none of these things negatively affect you.
On paper I'm more a labour person. Not always voted labour somewhat floating voter mainly due to Blair years, would never vote Tory, the ONLY way we have a CHANCE of getting the tories out is:
For as many of us to vote labour as possible (mainly as they're the only other major party all 4 nations in the uk CAN vote for)
The last 2 GE's iirc the following 2 were true
More people didn't vote than voted Tory
More people voted for other parties than voted Tory
If we combined all those voters we'd have plenty of sway
If you look back, the majority of the country votes for left leaning parties but our broken FPTP electoral system means that the tories always win.
Yep also true
So it is absolutely possible to get them out which we really should
I'm not saying labour are perfect but I do genuinely believe from reading their proposed policies and following their stances on various areas that matter to me and to the majority of us (and yes keirs fence sitting at times bugs me too! But he's one person) that they are a FAR better option and than the current shower of shite, corrupt, self serving arseholes!
Admittedly pretty much any party except the extremist ones would be!
But labour has the best chance of ousting the tories
To answer your question. Because people are fundamentally selfish
Even from that perspective, voting Tory UNLESS you are already very wealthy makes NO sense
All of these are very detrimental, and dare I say it, very dangerous for us as a society.
And all done under this Tory govt in many cases BY this Tory govt
Ilovetommycat thank god some are starting to see this
So refusing to vote Labour on this one issue is ignoring the fact that this is already happening.
Exactly
Right now the Tories are the only party holding the line on that issue. (TWAW)
Except they're not. They started the ball rolling and keep quietly pushing it when it seems to be slowing down!
The Conservative party as the party of womens' rights. Really???
I know! They have NEVER been a party for women or children, never.
and certainly wouldn't actually go as far as legislating it.
But that's exactly what they ARE attempting to do!
Migrainesbythedozen so do you even live in the uk? A voting boycott wouldn't even be noticed given so many already don't bother voting anyway
What the hell is Labour going to do any different?
Seriously? Do you honestly not know how labour are different or was that a flippant remark?
The BASIC simple differences are:
Tories believe in a "small state" ie everyone has to look after themselves and gets very little support from the state which also means low taxes as then there isn't the requirement for funding of state provisions like nhs, benefits etc
Labour believes in a "large state" where those less able to care for and provide for themselves are supported by the rest of the population via a welfare system, nhs etc
That's the simple overview
Some of Labour's current proposed policies:
Workers to have full employee rights from day one - it's been a while since I've worked due to ill health, I'm stunned that many at the moment accept this crappy 2 years until you get full employee rights nonsense!
Support flexible working in a way that benefits employees and employers
Inc nmw to at least £10 an hour - low wages are a huge issue in this country they benefit only shareholders/ceo types not employees and not the country
Job creation - via supporting and encouraging British businesses and employers to create businesses and grow them
Employees allowed to "switch off" by not being expected to effective STILL be working at home in eves and weekends - responding to emails etc (personally I think this too would lead to job creation as employers would be forced to recognise they're having employees do the work of 2/3 people and that they need to employ more staff)
Invest properly in vocational training and education
Preventive rather than reactive healthcare
Reform the social care system to properly support informal carers, allow those being cared for to have more agency and choice in how they are cared for
Properly fund/resource Mh care to the same level as physical ill health
Insourcing for nhs etc - Which I believe means no longer supporting cronyism/corruption here! Instead managing needs in house
Funding and supporting education properly from early years to higher education
Ending the housing crisis by building more social housing and making developers build ACTUALLY affordable housing for the buying market.
Ensuring through legislation that homes are safe and habitable
More rights for tenants
Access to good quality affordable childcare in a reasonable distance
For children ages 10+ provision of good quality professional youth services like sports clubs and extra curricular activities led by youth workers trained in supporting youths to live happy, healthy and safe lives and not get caught up in county lines etc
Tackling the root causes of crime - inequality, addiction etc
More police in communities
Victims rights enshrined in law and clearly communicated and understood
Tackling VAWG from the root causes up inc tougher sentencing
Affordable, safe and sufficient provision of public transport
I suspect though labour party has no independent thoughts or ideas that would improve the lot of normal working people in the UK.
See above, read the labour manifesto, read the link a pp put with the key policies unveiled at the last conference...
Labour have always been the party for normal working people in the uk, they've lost their way a little of late but the tories have NEVER cared about ordinary people ever!
And what can we blame for that? Ah yes, an underfunded and under resourced education system that's been systematically decimated for years.
Agree with that but with particular emphasis on the poor education in England and Wales on political side of things. Here in Scotland we have modern studies which teaches children about things like fptp, what the parties stand for etc - and look how differently we tend to vote!
I can't believe someone on this thread is suggesting everyone who voted Tory did so because they saw a meme and because their boyfriends were voting Tory
They're not suggesting EVERYONE does but what they have very likely been told by people who have done this - that's far more frightening!
There ARE people who don't bother to educate themselves and vote according to how their parents/spouse vote, who vote based on what they see on sm, in the daily mail etc
My dad voted on what "the sun" said! When he still voted at all.
One thing I genuinely believe is that many decent Tory voters are appalled at the corruption, lying and assault on democracy being committed by the current government.
Yes the Tory voters I know feel this way - putting it mildly!
Not because of trans people but because of the threat to women's rights
The tories have hammered woman's rights and safety in the past decade in numerous ways INC this
A combination of single issue voting, social media manipulation, and mass abstention from voting for anyone at all is exactly what led to the rise of Donald Trump in the United States.
Excellent point
And don't delude yourself that, given another term, the Tories won't capitulate to the TWAW agenda when they see there's money to be made, which they will.
Already happening
bellamountain that's all well and good WHILE they're fit and able to work- when they no longer are they're screwed! Because tories don't think we ought to provide support to the sick, disabled, elderly etc
Perhaps someone who votes Tory believes that the Tory party will promote and help businesses to create jobs in their community. That is not a thick or selfish thing to want. That is perfectly reasonable.
It is perfectly reasonable to want that - it's foolish to think the tories will DO that because they don't/haven't/aren't interested in doing so
Tories have a reputation for being "for business" but both historically and currently they don't support and promote or befriend any but large conglomerates. They don't help and encourage small and new businesses - never have
And maybe the Tories won't actually fulfil that promise, but at least they promised it in the first place!
No - false promises are not only empty and worthless they're actively damaging - in this case the economy
I say again, if you don't vote against the tories, who are doing more damage to women than anything else, you are the problem too.
I agree
ramalamadingdongs well said at 0934
The problem is that traditional tory voters aren't being protected as they once were.
In reality they never were. If you look thoroughly at how the middle class and small businesses were treated by tories in the past it was never positively. The situation now is that the current tories aren't even trying to hide this any more. It's blatant. Which is why many of us are genuinely baffled why these Tory voters continue to vote Tory
colourmeexhausted just wanted to check something - do you think the snp are a socialist leaning party?
But there's no mention of policies, no mention of laws they want to pass or what they want to do for the people.
Because an awful lot of the electorate can't be bothered to read and learn this and they are not taught this in English and welsh schools.
We need to restore an environment where politicians are here to serve the country, not to line their pockets and give contracts to their mates and where they are accountable for their actions.
I agree but I fear that will never happen.
There are many things mps are allowed to be/so that are clear conflicts of interest.
Also the current crisis in the cost of living has a lot to do with the fact that the Tories have allowed big businesses to thrive while squeezing the life out of regular people in the name of profit. This is not sustainable.
This is what they always do when in power it's more extreme this time though I agree.
This is why it makes NO sense for ordinary people or even upper middle class to vote for them - they do not and have no interest in serving you!
But you're ok with the rape clause... 🤦🏻♀️ sure.. really standing up for women's rights.
Exactly!
Plus many other things - defunding the police and courts, universal credit couples claims being one claim (which traps women in DA relationships), the huge watering down of women's employee rights especially maternity rights...
all of our services (health, education etc) are under monumental strain - as is our housing stock.
And WHY are they under strain?