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How do I tactfully handle this situation?

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Mogs43 · 27/02/2022 00:05

I am going to visit my home town soon. I had arranged to meet up with a family member and her children- had offered to pay for a meal (she's been very kind since my lovely father died). Another family member got in touch to say she had heard I was coming and having a meal - could she and her children come? It would be nice for them all to catch up etc I agreed. She then said it was her birthday that week but she would rather come to the meal than arrange something else. I said okay and didn't think anything of it.

She has just texted to say she has invited other family and friends (15 so far!!). I have also received text messages from others (not included in the 15) saying they hear I am around and organising a meal etc..So it could be more!

I have in the past couple of years organised meals etc to mark my fathers death/key anniversaries. I have been happy to pay for them as a sort of memorial to him -it has mostly been really nice to see everyone. However, for the last two events I found that the individual whose birthday it is has 'hijacked' the meal, hardly spoke to me and didn't acknowledge that I paid (I wouldn't normally expect any kind of acknowledgment at all but on the last occasion she physically froze me out and left me sitting at the children's table- I felt completely pathetic : fortunately another family member saw what was happening and insisted that the woman's child move to the children's table so I could sit with the adults). Throughout the meal she hardly spoke to me and at the end said all those with children were going somewhere else for ice cream etc. She left without even asking about the bill and nor did she even once acknowledge that the meal was in memory of my father. I haven't heard from her since - just the recent texts. To be honest. she has hardly been there since my father died. She appears to have money- drives a 4x4, regular plastic surgery, hair and nails - so I dont think she is broke :its just how she operates.

I had just wanted to concentrate on those who have been kind to me but its hard to invite some family and not others? Is that unfair?

I could possibly stretch to paying (although money is very tight) and it would be lovely to see (some of) them but I do resent how this has been done. I feel like a mug. The restaurant that I had originally booked can't accommodate such a large group and to be honest I don't fancy spending hours of my time looking for an alternative venue. I did ask her how one of the people she had invited (who had only just phoned asking to lend money) would be able to afford it. She responded that one extra wouldn't make much difference - that the restaurant would probably offer me a deal for such a large group. She clearly expects me to pay.

The individual is a drama queen who falls out with lots of people and I don't want to create a fuss (everything goes on social media and I couldn't bare all the ' let down on my birthday and I'm a single mum etc'). I would also not like to inconvenience the other family members (especially those I had initially invited). I value their friendship and would like to see them . I could do with the company as, to be honest, since my father died I often feel isolated and lonely.

How can I change this situation: should I say I cant go (but then would I have to cancel my whole weekend) or should I just suck it up? What would you do? Thank you- and sorry if I sound a bit pathetic. I am aware of this.

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Dottychickens · 27/02/2022 09:07

Unfortunately there is no tactful way to handle these sorts of people.

You could cancel all plans then just phone the original family and organise a ‘secret’ meet-up.

But personally, after tears if also being the one who got used by family members, I’ve learned the only way I’d to say no.

Don’t worry about social media, when she posts her critic messages about you, other will just roll their eyes and think here she goes again!

Please don’t pay, this will happen again and again and again if you don’t put your foot down.

Drama queens tend to just be bullys.

Peachtoiletpaper · 27/02/2022 09:08

You don't sound pathetic, you sound kind and taken advantage of. It's hard to assert yourself in the face of extreme brazenness and avarice but it's what you need to do.

I wouldn't try and reframe the big gathering in any way, I.e. by saying you won't pay, or sending prices. I guarantee that CF will be telling people otherwise and sprinkling around the largesse on your behalf. Or people will sneak out, have forgotten their wallets, be a bit short etc etc.

I would just cancel the whole thing and revert to your original plans. At a different restaurant. Let your original friend know exactly what's happened and that's why you're doing so.

You could just tell CF this and let her sort out her mess, offer to meet her separately so she can't truthfully say you've let her down on her birthday or if you know who is meant to be coming, let the group know.

Don't worry about her SM outbursts, just mute.

You could say 'it appears another 15 people have heard they're invited to the lunch I'd originally planned for me and Sue. I'm not looking to host something big this time and was looking forward to a quiet catch up so I'm not sure how this has happened. Obviously I wouldn't be paying for this. I've decided to go back to seeing Sue and kids separately. If you'd like to meet for cake and coffee that weekend, do let me know'.

Be quite cool about this, not placatory. Her behaviour isn't normal.

MissMaple82 · 27/02/2022 09:09

You need to grow a back bone and say no put her in her place!

Newmumatlast · 27/02/2022 09:09

@Mogs43

I am going to visit my home town soon. I had arranged to meet up with a family member and her children- had offered to pay for a meal (she's been very kind since my lovely father died). Another family member got in touch to say she had heard I was coming and having a meal - could she and her children come? It would be nice for them all to catch up etc I agreed. She then said it was her birthday that week but she would rather come to the meal than arrange something else. I said okay and didn't think anything of it.

She has just texted to say she has invited other family and friends (15 so far!!). I have also received text messages from others (not included in the 15) saying they hear I am around and organising a meal etc..So it could be more!

I have in the past couple of years organised meals etc to mark my fathers death/key anniversaries. I have been happy to pay for them as a sort of memorial to him -it has mostly been really nice to see everyone. However, for the last two events I found that the individual whose birthday it is has 'hijacked' the meal, hardly spoke to me and didn't acknowledge that I paid (I wouldn't normally expect any kind of acknowledgment at all but on the last occasion she physically froze me out and left me sitting at the children's table- I felt completely pathetic : fortunately another family member saw what was happening and insisted that the woman's child move to the children's table so I could sit with the adults). Throughout the meal she hardly spoke to me and at the end said all those with children were going somewhere else for ice cream etc. She left without even asking about the bill and nor did she even once acknowledge that the meal was in memory of my father. I haven't heard from her since - just the recent texts. To be honest. she has hardly been there since my father died. She appears to have money- drives a 4x4, regular plastic surgery, hair and nails - so I dont think she is broke :its just how she operates.

I had just wanted to concentrate on those who have been kind to me but its hard to invite some family and not others? Is that unfair?

I could possibly stretch to paying (although money is very tight) and it would be lovely to see (some of) them but I do resent how this has been done. I feel like a mug. The restaurant that I had originally booked can't accommodate such a large group and to be honest I don't fancy spending hours of my time looking for an alternative venue. I did ask her how one of the people she had invited (who had only just phoned asking to lend money) would be able to afford it. She responded that one extra wouldn't make much difference - that the restaurant would probably offer me a deal for such a large group. She clearly expects me to pay.

The individual is a drama queen who falls out with lots of people and I don't want to create a fuss (everything goes on social media and I couldn't bare all the ' let down on my birthday and I'm a single mum etc'). I would also not like to inconvenience the other family members (especially those I had initially invited). I value their friendship and would like to see them . I could do with the company as, to be honest, since my father died I often feel isolated and lonely.

How can I change this situation: should I say I cant go (but then would I have to cancel my whole weekend) or should I just suck it up? What would you do? Thank you- and sorry if I sound a bit pathetic. I am aware of this.

I would either

A. Say you shouldn't have invited people without asking me. This was originally just going to be a meal with X person and a small affair. I agreed to just you as extra but you have without my consent changed it so apologies but I am just going for a meal with X person and you can do your own thing.

B. Say you shouldn't have invited people without my consent but now that you have that's fine. However, to be clear, this is not an invitation from me where I am paying for everyone. Everyone will need to pay for themselves. Please can you make them aware. I will repeat that at the start of the meal/text everyone too. I have only agreed to pay for X person as a gift which is why the meal was originally just with her.

maddening · 27/02/2022 09:10

And also, that the restaurant can not accommodate the increased number of people so could she find an alternate venue as she is local it would be easier for her to do.

HomeHomeInTheRange · 27/02/2022 09:10

@Peachtoiletpaper

You don't sound pathetic, you sound kind and taken advantage of. It's hard to assert yourself in the face of extreme brazenness and avarice but it's what you need to do.

I wouldn't try and reframe the big gathering in any way, I.e. by saying you won't pay, or sending prices. I guarantee that CF will be telling people otherwise and sprinkling around the largesse on your behalf. Or people will sneak out, have forgotten their wallets, be a bit short etc etc.

I would just cancel the whole thing and revert to your original plans. At a different restaurant. Let your original friend know exactly what's happened and that's why you're doing so.

You could just tell CF this and let her sort out her mess, offer to meet her separately so she can't truthfully say you've let her down on her birthday or if you know who is meant to be coming, let the group know.

Don't worry about her SM outbursts, just mute.

You could say 'it appears another 15 people have heard they're invited to the lunch I'd originally planned for me and Sue. I'm not looking to host something big this time and was looking forward to a quiet catch up so I'm not sure how this has happened. Obviously I wouldn't be paying for this. I've decided to go back to seeing Sue and kids separately. If you'd like to meet for cake and coffee that weekend, do let me know'.

Be quite cool about this, not placatory. Her behaviour isn't normal.

This is a good approach.
Newmumatlast · 27/02/2022 09:11

I should've said if it was me I would go with A. This person has no right to invite people without asking you and I would want to make my boundary clear on that without changing what was my original plan. I would even change the venue without telling her to ensure she doesnt just invade anyway especially if i knew i found it hard to stand up to people as you seem to suggest you do.

Spudlet · 27/02/2022 09:11

Omg, what makes some people like this? How can they think this is an ok way to behave? The mind boggles!

You have to put your foot down op - you must. You are talking about visiting your home town so you don’t live there anymore clearly - so you aren’t going to be stuck bumping into these people at the supermarket. So you can do this then walk away.

If the CF is inviting people many or indeed none of them may know the full circumstances - that she’s shamelessly hijacking you and your visit for her own ends. If you let them know many may be horrified. I would be! I would play dumb if people texted me to ask about arrangements (arrangements? I’m not organising anything, how strange!), organise with nice friend to go somewhere else, tell CF you’ve had a change of plan and you’ll catch up another time, so sorry, something came up… then leave her to deal with any fallout. And never actually organise that catch up with her, because bloody hell.

Luckymummytoone · 27/02/2022 09:12

You’ll feel worse in the long run if you go ahead with this. And be very much out of pocket. Please stick up for yourself and stick with the original plan. Be strong!
Sorry about your loss. Hugs xx

WhatAHexIGotInto · 27/02/2022 09:12

I don't think I could go along with this without saying something to this woman. I'm not sure of be particularly tactful either.

Piffle11 · 27/02/2022 09:12

I get that you don’t want everything plastered all over Facebook, but this is not the time to be tactful. There have been some great suggestions on here: Whatever you end up doing – just meeting your original family member and her children, are meeting everybody – make sure that the CF realises that you are NOT paying for them all. CFs only target people they know they can manipulate, And they rely on people feeling too awkward to question things and not wanting to create a fuss. You really need to call her out on this, and do it sooner rather than later. And if anything does end up on Facebook, just comment underneath that perhaps she shouldn’t expect people to pay for her party. Give us good as you get.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 27/02/2022 09:12

Just NO, OP! Just NO to all of this bullshit!!

Cancel your visit, reschedule with the relative who originally wanted to arrange a meal with YOU, and don't continue to encourage your other relative by accepting such rotten behaviour. Don't worry about being tactful, just bin the whole thing.

Spudlet · 27/02/2022 09:13

And block the bitch on SM. She is not your friend.

Stressedout1009 · 27/02/2022 09:14

You were really foolish to have agreed to let her join in the first place knowing what she did the last time. What were you thinking?? Sorry to say, a CF exists because there is always someone enabling them and that's you. You need to find your voice and stand up to this person.

justasmalltownmum · 27/02/2022 09:14

Don't pay!

1AngelicFruitCake · 27/02/2022 09:16

From reading this it doesn’t sound like you are well off and that’s the only reason why I’d assume someone would regularly pay for such a big meal!
There’s ways to remember your father without spending money. Do these people even ask about you? Talk about him? Sounds like they’re just after a free meal.

Whydoesthecatalwaysdothat · 27/02/2022 09:17

I would just cancel the whole lot. Just say something has come up and you're no longer able to visit. Are you able to say you need to work that weekend?

Maybe let the dust settle and then contact nice family member to rearrange but make it very clear that you just want to see her and her kids. I'd be a little bit annoyed with her for letting it slip that you were paying to all and sundry.

You do need to get out of the habit of paying for people as it's not necessary and clearly not appreciated. People are also assuming that you are loaded by the sound of it as you've also had someone asking you to the loan them money. Did you inherit money from your Dad?

Your family don't sound particularly pleasant. Are they normally very rude and entitled?

Howshouldibehave · 27/02/2022 09:18

I did ask her how one of the people she had invited (who had only just phoned asking to lend money) would be able to afford it

Who asked you to borrow money? What did you say?

BorsetshireBanality · 27/02/2022 09:20

How about “this has grown massively out of hand and I am reverting to original plans of a small get together with Aunt Muriel and her kids only. Hope your birthday celebrations go well for you”

HairyScaryMonster · 27/02/2022 09:22

I'd love to let her carry on organising the big meal and quietly arrange the small one you wanted at the same time and don't come!

Or tell her she needs to find somewhere that can fit the birthday gathering so she has to provide her details to the restaurant, be sure to inform the restaurant you're only paying for yourself when you arrive and don't be guilted into paying for more. Perhaps buy the first round of drinks and make it clear thats your contribution so people can order food accordingly.

Zonder · 27/02/2022 09:24

Cancel the weekend. Rearrange it in a few weeks on your terms and prepare your boundaries.

Justilou1 · 27/02/2022 09:24

Why on earth would you waste time being tactful? That is what this woman is relying on and how she gets away with riding roughshod over you. Just ring her and say “Actually, I’ve been thinking… I’m not there for your birthday. I’m there to see X and thank her for being there for me when I needed her. You’ve hijacked what I had intended to be a lovely, quiet get together and frankly, it’s not about you. If you want a birthday party, that’s fine - go ahead and organize it whenever you like, but don’t use me as the excuse, and don’t think I’m paying for it.”

astoundedgoat · 27/02/2022 09:29

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101

You reply "what do you mean the restaurant will do me a deal? I'm not going to be paying for everyone" She won't come then. Grin
This is the simplest solution. People like her depend heavily on the British obsession with tact, so anything that feels remotely polite or gentle will be completely ignored. You have to completely unambiguous.

In fact, I would shorten it to "What do you mean the restaurant will do me a "deal"? I'm not paying for this."

("for "everyone" risks her still hitting you up to cover her "immediate" guests, or whatever interpretation she places on it.)

Perime · 27/02/2022 09:29

The cheek of her - cancel don't say the restaurant can't accommodate she might call them.

3luckystars · 27/02/2022 09:29

cancel and give nice friend a gift voucher for the restaurant