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Captain Tom Day

234 replies

Puppylucky · 25/02/2022 22:18

Really?! Supported by Esther Rantzen et all but now on hold - thank God

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EthelTheAardvark · 26/02/2022 17:54

@VelvetChairGirl

I was clap-shamed by my neighbour for refusing to go out and act like a performing seal.

did you ask them what it achieved? if they actually wanted to help the NHS they could have used their hands to order a pizza and have it delivered to the local hospital.

Not really, to be honest. Kindly meant as it was, hospitals were being overwhelmed with pizza. DD was working in admin in a non-covid department and found the nurses regularly begging them to take some of the pizza off them.
MrsLargeEmbodied · 26/02/2022 17:54

@Butwhereareyou

indeed

Butwhereareyou · 26/02/2022 17:58

I had and have no issue with clapping. It became performative but so what. It hurt no one.

However I do have a problem with this, as it has hurt people.

FloBot7 · 26/02/2022 18:27

I believe Captain Tom really meant well. His daughter I was suspicious of quite quickly when she positioned herself by his side in every photoshoot. After he died she did endless interviews. The first couple I saw as an opportunity to celebrate his life and get closure but she kept going and dragged her children into it. It became apparent very quickly that it was a PR machine designed to continue using his name after he had died. It's very sad that his memory is being tarnished like this.

Butwhereareyou · 26/02/2022 18:38

Why do you think he really meant well?

SometimesIwalksideways · 26/02/2022 19:14

Captain Tom was a salesman until he retired . The apple doesn't fall far from the tree, eh ?

CPL593H · 26/02/2022 19:28

@MrsLargeEmbodied

a watchdog probes the charity - i bet it means nothing i hope the accounts are in order

indeed, horrible thread, awful posters

What very much bugs me is that it is seemingly becoming impossible to express an opinion, however rational or politely put. I haven't read anything you could vaguely class as "awful" on this thread, unless the definition of that is now "anything that disagrees with my view".

Racism is awful, anti Semitism is awful, homophobia is awful. Saying that you think CTMs family have some questions to answer about the charity finances, the Barbados trip was unwise and that you did not warm to how his daughter conducted herself is not awful.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/02/2022 19:43

@Hobnobswantshernameback

Calling people "haterz" is almost as pathetic a non sequitur as "be kind"
Sadly, if Caroline Flack were still alive, nobody would be chanting "Be Kind".
ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/02/2022 19:45

@OhWhyNot

Because it’s very important for strangers to know that their children shall be attending an RG university even when not at all relevant to the discussion

I’m still not really sure what they are (and not interested so no need to tell me)

I work at one.
Ladybyrd · 26/02/2022 19:47

Poor man. He sets out to do his bit, achieved the inconceivable, and now his good name is being dragged through the mud because of his family. They should be ashamed of themselves. It seems very unfair that it's his name being tarnished though. Never did a good deed go unpunished.

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2022 20:27

There was a report on Breakfast this week about James Brokenshires widow and a lung cancer survivor who have formed a charity. The build up to the report was about how the woman had formed a 'close online friendship' with JB when he announced he had lung cancer - the report plays and she actually said that she has contacted him when he announced he has cancer, he replied to thank her and then they didn't really communicate again after that confused hardly what I would call close online friendship

I only caught the tailend of that one initially but when they replayed it, I found the BBC take on such a tenuous link most odd.

Must be a current dearth of newsworthy charitable endeavours although just wait until Red Nose Day comes around and see Auntie spin Grin

CathyorClaire · 26/02/2022 20:36

Does anyone else think ‘no wonder I’m so cynical’ when stuff like this happens

Nah. Get to my age and cynicism is the default.

It's really not all bad though. Most of us are never going to get suckered by a Nigerian prince or tourist paradise toyboy trulove Grin

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 26/02/2022 20:49

@CathyorClaire

Does anyone else think ‘no wonder I’m so cynical’ when stuff like this happens

Nah. Get to my age and cynicism is the default.

It's really not all bad though. Most of us are never going to get suckered by a Nigerian prince or tourist paradise toyboy trulove Grin

My friend has got suckered in by someone online, it happens .....
CathyorClaire · 26/02/2022 20:54

I’m still not really sure what they are (and not interested so no need to tell me)

Originally an unremarkable lobbying group but transformed by powerful and as yet unexplained magic into a self-styled elite.

Dithercats · 26/02/2022 21:51

@BuyDirt

It was just what we all needed at the time, a positive story.

Was it? An elderly man being exploited by family and media. I’d have rather he sat down to be honest. I found it sickening.

Me too
willstarttomorrow · 26/02/2022 22:12

The way I understand it is CTM had a hip (or knee) replacement and as part if his recovery needed to exercise it was suggested by a member of the family he could do 100 laps of the garden in the £million plus home they all lived in. One daughter happens to be in PR. Local news alerted, then national, then international, crazy pandemic times so brass bands, book deal, Michael Ball, knighthood etc.

At the same time there were lots of other people doing amazing things to raise money for covid. Without googling I think I remember a kid sleeping in a tent for months and a child with horrific injuries from early life abuse walking a significant number of miles on false legs.

Unfortunately they did not have the Hannah Ingrham-Moore PR machine.
As for the 'war hero', like most families of a similar age I have grand-parents, great uncles who fought in the war, not all came home. My late mother-in-law escaped now Yangon walking through the Darjeeling jungle and then lied about her age at 14 to join the war effort.

CTM was a very comfortably off old man walking around his garden. The fact it became an international fund raising event is down to his daughter, and if she left it there, fair enough. Without considering 'The Foundation', the fame and recognition she continues to crave is embarrassing. For example, Wimbledon.

Poppinjay · 26/02/2022 22:16

He raised millions and was an inspiration, he was a joy during a very dark time.

The free publicity organised by his daughter raised millions. Many who donated thought wrongly that they were paying for essential supplies for the NHS.

His story was shamelessly promoted out of all proportion by news media who were desperate for way to put a positive slant on the persistently depressing news.

What he did was no more than many members of our community during that time. Some were NHS and other key workers, some were kind people who spent many hours supporting elderly and isolated members of their communities, some did other things just as kind. He wasn't more lovely or special than any of them; he was just the person the BBC News chose to promote.

hibbledibble · 26/02/2022 22:38

It's really sad that his family have tried to take financial advantage of the goodwill of members of the public.

It reminds me of baby Dax's parents who started a fundraiser for their premature baby, saying that their insurance was refusing to cover them. Their insurance company made the unusual step of making a public announcement saying they were covering all costs, and had always said they would. Yet the family still kept the money.

derxa · 26/02/2022 22:40

@Poppinjay

He raised millions and was an inspiration, he was a joy during a very dark time.

The free publicity organised by his daughter raised millions. Many who donated thought wrongly that they were paying for essential supplies for the NHS.

His story was shamelessly promoted out of all proportion by news media who were desperate for way to put a positive slant on the persistently depressing news.

What he did was no more than many members of our community during that time. Some were NHS and other key workers, some were kind people who spent many hours supporting elderly and isolated members of their communities, some did other things just as kind. He wasn't more lovely or special than any of them; he was just the person the BBC News chose to promote.

What a misery you are
Classica · 27/02/2022 00:39

@hibbledibble

It's really sad that his family have tried to take financial advantage of the goodwill of members of the public.

It reminds me of baby Dax's parents who started a fundraiser for their premature baby, saying that their insurance was refusing to cover them. Their insurance company made the unusual step of making a public announcement saying they were covering all costs, and had always said they would. Yet the family still kept the money.

Baby Dax's parents. I had forgotten about them. Bloody awful scroungers. I hope Dax is flourishing. I hope his parents are cursed with recurrent cystitis.
hibbledibble · 27/02/2022 09:43

Yes it was criminal what they did, I don't understand why they weren't convicted, given the lies they used to raise money for their personal coffers. It's so sad that some take advantage of the goodwill of strangers like this.

LampLighter414 · 27/02/2022 10:10

He is a hero and a national treasure and to say otherwise you basically must hate our country and way of life and have no respect for the armed forces and beating the nazis in the world war.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/02/2022 11:40

It reminds me of baby Dax's parents ...

I did the same to me; in fact I mentioned them upthread

You have to wonder, in these days of social media and online begging, just how many of these cases there are - though of course they don't always make it into the headlines

bellac11 · 27/02/2022 11:59

I just looked up baby Dax. I dont know that I remembered that one.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 27/02/2022 13:19

Yeah we're all utter miseries
All of us
Even us who have worked in the NHS right through the pandemic and loathed this bollocks at the time, have never seen a penny of any of the money raised and are now getting daily abuse from the public who seemed to forget their clapping pretty fucking quick
All those fucking rainbows and claps and millions were nice virtue signalling
But hey we're meant to tug our forelock and be grateful for them
Fuck sake
Happy to be called a misery