...to not be distraught about the war in Ukraine

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AIBU to have no clue why so many people on MN are so worried?

In my lifetime there have been many terrible wars in other countries and this country has been to war five times. This war doesn't involve us and any effects on us will be minor compared to what we've just experienced.

I completely understand people feeling worried for Ukrainians (as for any country in crisis) but why so much worry for us?

What I don’t get is how the soldiers are doing what they’re told to do by an utter madman when they must surely have some small consciousness that bombing civilians is not right in this day and age.

It was kind of understandable when people had less knowledge and were more insular without the connections we have to other countries by way of travel, TV and media so brainwashing was effective.

Are they really falling for this protecting Ukrainians from Nazis bullshit? Is Russian culture and education that far behind?

Janeseymour78 ". I work in cyber security and an attack could be devastating."

I was reluctant to say this before because I'd get called a conspiracy nut

But I think worries about war have fuelled the property market here and many of the cash buyers are trying to get cash out of a bank and into a solid asset because of this concern.

Funny isn't it? If I'd said that two weeks ago, I'd be called all sorts...I'll wait and see if anyone still thinks that.

Without going into your Russian apologist stance, many people are worried because it can easily cause a scenario of a hot or cold war. You are basing your assumption on it not affecting the UK (any other country)when sanctions imposed on Russia will have an effect, it's globalisation 101, this isn't a 'wont impact us much' scenario as we are far more connected/globalised into Russia than the previous wars, just ask Germany why they are suspending norde2 and ask how they are going to meet their green targets.

It isn't some distant land that the west usually ignores, it has consequences either way however this pans out. I agree if your talking about those who are shaking and crying, but you are being ignorant in the globalised world and think it won't have an impact.

Because in 2022, a sovereign and fairly stable state has been invaded by a nuclear superpower in a day. People are dying. That alone is distressing and scary, before you even get to worrying about what it may mean for others.

Justanotherlurker you mention green targets.

Do you feel that's important, especially in a war scenario? No criticism, just curious.

Those of us with even an ounce of humanity should stand with those who find theirs under attack, partly because it’s the moral stance that decency requires but also because if we don’t where does it end?
The Ukraine’s freedom is gone today, is it really such a stretch to imagine yours gone tomorrow?
If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, the enemy of my friend might well come after me next… it’s not their just freedom that needs defending, what Putin has done is an attack on the freedoms that all of us enjoy. He needs to be stopped and I’m sure he’ll be doing his best to stop us from stopping him. And that’s what you should fear. That’s what may well bring this conflict up close and personal.

I feel for the people of Ukraine and if I can do anything practical I will. But worrying, handwringing, crying, getting worked up. Will do nothing!

Well, worrying about anything at all will do nothing. None of us should worry about our families (in general, not related to this situation), money, health etc?

I work in cyber security and an attack could be devastating

I also work on cyber, if you do really work in it you would know that Russia is not the leading threat.

I hear you. People are jumping on the fear bandwagon. We need to get our lives on track after dealing with the last two years. Obviously it is sad that people are being bombed but I think the news reports are over the top. Our gov want us in a permanent stare of fear, in my opinion, and I don't trust any politicians. In any country including my own.

Shows your lack of empathy and ignorance.

i think what i'm scared of is a mentally ill man, rumoured to be dying from cancer. he hasn't done much as president really so i worry this is his last hurrah, last chance to make it in to history books (for those who survive)

he's crazy....not got anything to lose

thats what i'm scared of...him and his red button!

Struggling to believe shallowness/ignorance of OP's post. ((shakes head 🙄))

Without going into your Russian apologist stance

Eh?

just ask Germany why they are suspending norde2 and ask how they are going to meet their green targets.

Yes, as I mentioned, I know energy prices have gone up and will continue to do so. Germany will meet its targets because they have shit loads of nuclear power, we are more exposed to gas prices than them.

It isn't some distant land that the west usually ignores

It's pretty distant a d the West has ignored it for decades. We promised to defend Ukraine when it gave up nukes but did nothing about it.

Putin has been pushing on these issues for 15 years. Back then had the choice to either bring Ukraine into NATO or negotiate with Putin from a position of strength and persuade the Ukrainians to compromise.

Now we can do nothing- threating but not following through makes just encourages Putin.

@UserWithNoUserName

I feel for the people of Ukraine and if I can do anything practical I will. But worrying, handwringing, crying, getting worked up. Will do nothing!

Well, worrying about anything at all will do nothing. None of us should worry about our families (in general, not related to this situation), money, health etc?

This isn't quite true though

I worried a lot about my parents ageing and health so ended up planning for it. It has been very helpful to plan for things that might not have happened. My mum was a bit horrified to find I had so much info to hand, but I'd have gone mad during my father's illness and eventual death if I hadn't done advance planning.

As I say, I'm not a survivalist. For those who are, maybe prepping will make you feel less stressed?

I'm outraged, millions and millions of people are outraged. Outrage is important. Outrage causes people movements and politicians and countries to listen. If we don't focus on this and become outraged by it, what does that say about us and what kind of world we want to live in? Yes, I know other wars are always happening but this is closer to home and very much east versus west, very much a key player in it and we need to show Putin how outraged his own citizens, Ukraine and people around the world are. So I'm outraged, more so than terrified

Sounds like 'whataboutery' from the OP to me... internet classic line of argument.

OP I thought Germany were ditching nuclear

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/correction-germany-nuclear-shutdown-story-82051054

Just because this is a forum dont be fooled by Russian propaganda. We’re better than this

by an utter madman

Putin is not an utter madman. He is many things and none of them are favourable, but he isn’t an utter madman.

@notimagain
But that’s what I meant- the Cold War - the fear and threats were that.
It’s not like a massive power started moving troops and bombing and had armed forces moving into Europe as Russia is now doing.
Hitler did the same thing tactically.
The Cold War was a face off between super powers that YES caused so much fear but how can this not be seen as different when the capabilities of Russia now are not just bombs and nuclear threat but technological and weapons with greater capabilities than during the Cold War?
I am (I repeat) I’m not sitting here scared but the comments in the OP are blasé about risk to “us” in the UK by comparing it to a situation (while terrifying) didn’t include what is now going on.
And Ukraine isn’t a million miles away and we can be drawn in rapidly via NATO etc etc.
It’s not about hand-wringing or whatever- this situation is the most unsettling (I feel for all in war) that I’ve encountered because things have moved on from the weapons the two systems had in the 1950s- 1980s.
And it’s questionable whether either power had the mentality of Putin..

I worried a lot about my parents ageing and health so ended up planning for it. It has been very helpful to plan for things that might not have happened.

There is a difference between worry and concern. Concern is usually what leads to action. Worry is largely pointless. But sure, why not share how you are planning to save yourself from whatever it is you’re worried about in Ukraine?

It has the potential to be the biggest conflict in our continent in 80 years.

If you are still struggling I'll set you up in a call with my colleague who's family and friends are in Kiev and she hasn't been able to contact them to see if they are safe.

Just cos it isn't on your doorstep doesn't mean it won't affect you.

@BoredZelda

No, but I wouldn't call him sane either.