...to not be distraught about the war in Ukraine

[donquixotedelamancha]

AIBU to have no clue why so many people on MN are so worried?

In my lifetime there have been many terrible wars in other countries and this country has been to war five times. This war doesn't involve us and any effects on us will be minor compared to what we've just experienced.

I completely understand people feeling worried for Ukrainians (as for any country in crisis) but why so much worry for us?

It has the potential to be the biggest conflict in our continent in 80 years.

I heard the French president had said something similar, this ends 80 years of peace in Europe.

Have we all forgotten about the shit show in Bosnia, Croatia, former Yugoslavia?

100% @Thebestwaytoscareatory

YABU.

This raised my spirits today:

www.news.com.au/world/europe/fearless-russians-defy-secret-police-to-protest-invasion-of-ukraine/news-story/be521e6026f7020c824fb4e7f03c3612

People with functional hearts and a capacity to recall past historical events are horrified at this move.

Realistically, some people just don’t really worry about anything - even real things or immediate threats. It doesn’t make them bad people. They’re just made different.

I worry about stuff. I'm not worried about this.

Do you know Russia's Nord 2 gas pipeline intended to avoid Ukraine and Germany was happy to collaborate until recently?

It was the US and UK who were against Nord Stream 2, because it gave Russia too much leverage over Europe.

I agree OP. No point worrying about something you can’t do anything about.

@Acheyknees

Sadly, unlike the other conflicts, this one involves a state with nuclear weapons

All he has to do is press a button. We will do shit. We can’t go to war with Russia.

OP " A decade on MN commenting about women's rights, parking and penis beakers was an elaborate cover "

I have definitely seen you in here before! Possibly in the Bluestocking?

Russia is a major super power. It has nuclear weapons. It possibly has the backing of China. Putin seems hell bent on seeing this through and threatened the west with nuclear retaliation less than 24 hours ago. I’ve been worried about the cost of living crisis/ rising cost of gas and electric but those worries pale in comparison to this. Im genuinely terrified but not sure if I’m being hysterical and over-reacting or if this is something I’m right to worry about. I feel so worn down with worry, it’s affecting my sleep. Even my partner who is fairly level headed has admitted he’s worried about this which makes me worry even more.

@wingscrow

Because some people have led very sheltered lives and/or have too much time on their hands...

Once you have had a few knocks in life you stop hyperventilating every time another threat arises.

I never understood the Covid hysteria either.

We have always lived in a dangerous world. There is bugger all most of us can do about Ukraine so get on with your life while you can still enjoy it.

Covid was declared a pandemic . Or did you miss that bit.

Trust me you should be worried about this . War is not just about nuclear missiles. Unfortunately it is more sophisticated than that.

The problem is that your opposers here are having an emotional response - so you aren’t going to be able to a common tone for a discussion.

This is precisely my question. I find it weird that people have such an emotional response to a situation which doesn't affect them. It feels like a form of grief tourism to me.

Thoroughly enjoyed hearing everyone's views
(I am in the UK)

I'm not actively worrying about it as there is literally nothing I can do to change whatever path it all takes, so why waste my time and energy worrying about the outcome for me/us? It will be whatever it will be, and if I need to worry at some point I'll do it then.

I am concerned about and sad for the people directly involved, of course.

Sara Lara what’s ridiculous about the idea that countries post on forums to seat popular opinion? Russia even have form for it in the US election / Brexit

It was the US and UK who were against Nord Stream 2, because it gave Russia too much leverage over Europe.

The US did but (like everything else on Russia) we looked both ways. We spend a lot of money on russian gas and they spend a lot of money in the UK.

Again I don't understand the posters calling the OP stupid or ignorant on the matter, they plainly aren't.

As for the accusations of Russian propaganda and demands for thread deletions, that's just entering the realms of silly.

Ah yes, the "I don't care because it isn't happening to me" mentality. Keep thinking like that until it does happen to you, and then you'll feel upset that people other countries don't care...

This....we all have a social responsibility to care for others, wherever they are

Yes, as I mentioned, I know energy prices have gone up and will continue to do so. Germany will meet its targets because they have shit loads of nuclear power, we are more exposed to gas prices than them.

Now I know you have little knowledge of the situation, the shit load of nuclear Germany apparently has is actually 3 that is already in decommission, that's before you ignoring the nordstream2 situation...

Putin has been pushing on these issues for 15 years. Back then had the choice to either bring Ukraine into NATO or negotiate with Putin from a position of strength and persuade the Ukrainians to compromise.

Do you understand the complexities of geopolitics at all? In those 15 years Russia has been funding separatists states to make sure a vote to join NATO would be scuppered, it's not as binary and simplistic as you want to make out.

We may be distant, but we are far less exposed or reliant than other countries, Germany being one, to even suggest so shows you don't have the 'intellectual' stance that you think you have.

As we are effectively day one of this situation and it could easily turn into a hot or cold war situation whilst trying to portray it's nothing to worry about says more about you than those who are concerned (excluding the shaking and crying), maybe your stop the war donations has influenced your post, but it's not as insightful as you think it is

@littleburn

YABU. Perhaps you should read a bit more about the situation and it's potential implications for us and Europe.

This.

I'm not panicking. All I am saying is that is naive to think that we will never be effected by this. If Putin decides to move onto a NATO country after Ukraine, Britain is going to be very much effected.

Novichok. Russia's weapon of choice. Undetectable and once sprayed will remain for 50 years, killing anyone who touches it. They don't need missiles, they can kills us all right now. YABU.

I think you’re getting a hard time and people are not really reading what you’re saying. The problem is that your opposers here are having an emotional response - so you aren’t going to be able to a common tone for a discussion.

This happens ALL THE TIME on mumsnet. It really isn't the place for rational discussion. I've tried and tried to make logical points in various posts today (not Russia ones) and got shouted down by people who aren't thinking or comprehending (or possibly even reading) my posts at all. They just want to rant, and if they pick up that I might be possibly posting something asking them to think or consider whether or not they're right, they just fire off again.