Drag Queen at a Primary School - continuation thread here - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4490413-Drag-Queen-at-a-Primary-School-Thread-2?watched=1

[Lennyllama]

What are your views on a drag queen visiting a primary school for the day? Think thigh high leather boots with short revealing dresses and a dance show. The drag queen spent the day at school. Did a show for KS2 and then went around to individual classes to read a story book. The school had a themed dress up day. The theme was This is Me. Parents were not informed that this would be happening and were not given the option to opt in or out of the experience. The school has a very diverse mix of cultures and religions. This particular queen is easily found online, the kids were told their stage name and their content is rather steamy.

YANBU- It’s inappropriate
YABU- It’s appropriate

I have name changed for this.

@theDudesmummy

WHAT'S THE SAFEGURDING PROBLEM? Can you be serious?

Yeah, a performer hired by a school would have gone through all the same checks as anyone else booked to perform or visit there. A DQ is no more threatening to children as anyone else

What a surprise someone who is clearly in the minority thinking this is acceptable, thanks one of the very few other people, who are also either ignorant or naive or plain stupid enough, to be OK with it.

Sexist stereotyping is vile and needs eradicating and I fail to see how people don't realise this. (Sexual sexist stereotyping is even worse).

If you have daughters, you are doing them a disservice by not realising this. I want a better world for my DC to grow up in. You should set your bar higher too, for their sake.

@WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles

We should be teaching our DC how to eradicate sexual stereotyping not fucking encouraging it. Drag is promoting sexualised extreme stereotypes and has no place in society, let alone schools.

Yep. The children may be learning about sexism and stereotypes in one lesson, and then being shown a man wearing a caricatured exaggeration mocking femininity and encouraged to laugh at this.

What exactly are they supposed to be learning, here? That males can wear make up and dresses? Or that males in make up and dresses are ridiculous figures of fun?

Panto is absolutely not the same thing.

Drag queens aren't always in sexual clothes, they can look more panto. I wouldn't outright say it should never happen, I just think they should be choosing the queen/outfits more wisely.

@Bintymcbintface

I did say a sparkly dress or trousers it wasn't clear to be which pic was which performer. So a sparkly dress, not lingerie, how was I wrong

You're comfortable with that much male flesh on show in a primary school? For no good reason?

@Bintymcbintface

Right and tonnes and tonnes of men and women have been convicted of equally horrific crimes, what's your point? I assume the school vets visitors for the safeguarding of children regardless of what they're there for or what their job might be. I think it's gross to imply that children are at risk around DQ because some of have been convicted of crimes. By that logic they're at risk around everyone

Yes Children are in danger and at risk. That is why we have safeguarding. Unfortunately vetting is rarely done in depth and there have been many cases where subsequently the vetted are found to be a danger.

@Bintymcbintface Safeguarding is not just about vetting whether people have criminal records. It is about considering potential risks to people who may be vulnerable. If you took your 10 year old to a strip club it would still be a safeguarding issue, whether not it was a perfectly legit and legal venue.

And no-one is suggesting the DQ poses a direct physical danger to the children in terms of assaulting them etc. It is the message that is given to them that is potentially dangerous.

@Bintymcbintface

Where's the safeguarding problem?! My good god yall are nuts

I think you’re the one clearly demonstrating who is nuts!

Still bloody amazed at how many are trying to ignore the obvious.

Hyper sexualised anything does not belong in a primary school.

It matters not one whit what you think or feel about anything.

You don't use sex to educate kids.

Serious question……

Would it be okay for a female teacher/parent to read to the children dressed like that? I seriously doubt it. So why is it okay for a DQ?

Also, it is my understanding that DQs are a form of ADULT entertainment so again - how is it appropriate?

I don't understand what the point of schools is anymore. When I went it was about learning academic subjects. Why is this on school's remit? If the kids are so hot on their reading and maths, can't they start on algebra or novels to give them a head start at secondary school?

Just wrong. And tbh I’ve changed my mind about drag in general. Used to think it was harmless, now I think it promotes misogyny, mocking women.

So why are the children more at risk with a DQ performing a story time than say a visitor from the local zoo?

Ugly sisters?
Widow Twanky?
Peter Pan?

All traditionally played by actors of the opposite gender.

Would it be different if a woman was wearing it? If say a popstar visited the school, is it the fact that it's a man the problem?

@Bintymcbintface

So why are the children more at risk with a DQ performing a story time than say a visitor from the local zoo?

Why do children's boundaries to hyper-sexualised men need to be broken down at school?

It doesn't appear to have been a hypersexualised performance. It was a man in a sparkly dress and boots

@Bintymcbintface

So why are the children more at risk with a DQ performing a story time than say a visitor from the local zoo?

What, when the DQ has a sexually suggestive name, and wears thigh high leather boots and a bustier and fishnets?

IDK, Binty, are you happy with your kids' teachers wearing this type of outfit?

Some drag queens have taught children to 'twerk', that all good harmless fun, too?

So next week is a burlesque stripper, right?

Stripper Storybook Time has a nice ring to it.

But it's OK to take the kids to a panto?

@Bintymcbintface

So why are the children more at risk with a DQ performing a story time than say a visitor from the local zoo?

Not sure which zoos you visit, but I’m yet to see a zookeeper in thigh high boots, OTT makeup and provocative clothing.

Drag is fine for adults if that’s what they like for entertainment. It’s not fine for kids.

Would you be happy for a female teacher to be dressed like that for work each day?

You cannot be that disingenouous surely?

An adult performer who charicatures and mocks female sterotypes in a highly sexualised manner, in the context of a society where women and girls are constantly at risk of psychological and physical abuse, and their rights and freedoms are eroded by men, is exactly the same as a lemur keeper. Right.