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WIBU to have prevented my DC having to (temporarily) share their home with 5 children they don't know?

108 replies

LazyMareofEastown · 22/02/2022 19:21

A few weeks have passed since this happened and I'm just reflecting. It's long and complicated so will try and keep it factual.

I co-parent my DC with their dad. All amicable. He lives a few mins away from me and we do things 50/50 with flexibility on both sides.

We both have partners. I don't live with my DP. EXH lives with his partner. Neither me nor ex have gone on to have any more DC and his partner (will call her B for convenience) doesn't have any. She's a nice enough person and adores my kids.

B's sister lives 1.5 hours away and has a very chaotic lifestyle. Sister has 6 kids (aged from 19 to 8). 4 or 5 different dads, none of whom are involved. She's had intense input from Child Services and the younger kids are on a Care Protection Plan. Between them, the kids have a variety of health conditions, behavioural issues and mental health problems (self harm, gender dysphoria). One has suspected autism but has never been diagnosed as mum doesn't take him to appts. The two youngest (8 and 9) display incredibly challenging (often hypersexualised) behaviour and my two DC have found being around them very difficult in the past on visits to where these kids live. My DS has told me he doesn't like going there.

For added context I work in a job that heavily incorporates safeguarding and have good knowledge of how social services operate.

To get to the point. A HV was done by the police a few weeks ago. Police called SS due to the state of the house and the kids were temporarily removed from the house while mum was questioned re: neglect.

B offered to have 5 of the 6 kids come to stay in her and my EX's house. The house is a small 3 bed with the only spare bed being my 13 year old DD's other bunkbed. DS (7) has a tiny box room (so small they had to buy a non-standard bed).

Ex rang me to ask what I thought. I told him that if this went ahead, I'd be keeping our DC at mine until these other kids went back home. Simply put, I had genuine safeguarding concerns for my DC if this were to go ahead not to mention the obvious overcrowding issue. Obviously they didn't need my consent but Ex was on the same page as me - he just didn't want to upset his partner.

They went back to SWs (I even spoke to the main SW on phone - she tried to guilt trip me into agreeing) and said that I had said it was a definite no.

As I had predicted would happen, SS suddenly came up with a new plan and found a house in the kids home area where B could stay with the kids until they went back to their mum (a few days later - house had been cleaned sufficiently for SS to be happy with this).

Ex told me he was relieved that I had said no as he knew B's suggestion was not a good one (albeit an understandable emotional reaction to the situation). He thanked me for being rational and clear.

B is now being super frosty with me. I'm not massively bothered by this as we're not mates and my kids safety will always be something I'm taking zero chances with but I'm just wondering how it looks to an impartial observer.

Biblical length, thanks for reading if you made it this far.

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Ionlydomassiveones · 22/02/2022 19:25

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PuttingOutFires · 22/02/2022 19:28

Your job (and your ex's) is primarily the wellbeing if your children.
It's understandable that his DP would want to look after her nieces and nephews but it sounds like a sensible course of action fir all involved.
Those poor children though, how chaotic and difficult for them. I think you did what any parent would have done.

SheWoreYellow · 22/02/2022 19:28

Did I get it right - these are the children of your ex’s partner’s sister? In which case why on earth would you take them?

SheWoreYellow · 22/02/2022 19:29

Oh I see, at your ex’s house. Oh I don’t know. Up to him I think.

SheWoreYellow · 22/02/2022 19:31

I hadn’t read it properly as I was assuming the wrong house.
It’s fine for you to say that your children would be staying at yours if they were there.

cansu · 22/02/2022 19:31

I think you were wrong. It was only going to be short term and was a genuine emergency. I am sure your ex partner has been put out by your kids and gone beyond what she has to on occasion. You could have spoken up after a few days if needs be. I am not surprised she is unhappy. I hope you never need a favour from her on the future.

JudgeRindersMinder · 22/02/2022 19:34

I’d love to know why the 11% think you’re unreasonable

EatSleepReplete · 22/02/2022 19:34

It sounds like the house would have been significantly overcrowded. It doesn't seem reasonable, even for a relatively short period of time. One night as an emergency measure might perhaps have been ok, but any more than that would have been unfair on all the children, & presumably quite stressful for all the adults involved too.

sadpapercourtesan · 22/02/2022 19:35

I think that was a decision for your ex to make - his home, his children on his time - and I'm not surprised B is being frosty with you. This will have soured the harmony between the two homes, I'm afraid.

Whatisgoingonhere · 22/02/2022 19:36

You did the right thing, OP. Safeguarding your children is your priority, so well done.

YoComoManzanas · 22/02/2022 19:38

I don't get why sw asked you anything? You said your kids would stay at yours while the 5xkids were at ease.That is fine and would surely help B out? I cant imagine she would have wanted to look after 7 kids.

Gowithme · 22/02/2022 19:38

It would not have worked having 7 kids in a small 3 bed even without all the other issues, that was ridiculous and of course your kids shouldn't have gone to that. It seems it all worked out fine though and putting your foot down with SS obviously was exactly the right thing.

BendingSpoons · 22/02/2022 19:39

Did they know it would only be for a few days? It seems perfectly reasonable that your kids stay at yours for that period, purely from an overcrowding point of view. Even more so with the safeguarding concerns.

YoComoManzanas · 22/02/2022 19:39

*ease meant ex's

CanIPleaseHaveOne · 22/02/2022 19:39

Very good call OP.

UserWithNoUserName · 22/02/2022 19:39

I don't think you were unreasonable.
Apart from anything else, these are distressed children who have been removed from their home who already have a multitude of issues, from the sounds of it.
Adding more people into the mix is not likely to help.

Sounds like the home didn't even have enough space for these five children anyway- where were they planning on having them sleep?

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 22/02/2022 19:40

Well your ex is a genius anyway. He knew you'd say no so now you're the bad guy and he didn't have to do what he didn't want to.

I don't blame B being frosty. If I were her I'd be super frosty. But similarly if I were you I'd have said no way.

Saffy321 · 22/02/2022 19:41

Isn't hypersexualised behaviour often a symptom of sexual abuse? I hope the children get some support (professional) through this.

LazyMareofEastown · 22/02/2022 19:41

cansu I did tell SW that if they could guarantee in writing that the kids would be leaving after 2-3 days then that would make me more inclined to even consider it but they refused to do that and wouldn't give a definitive answer as to how long they would be staying.

Bear in mind that at this point it wasn't even definite that kids would be going back to mum at all and my fear (based on direct experience) was that once SS had these kids placed with family, they wouldn't be rushing to find an alternative solution (which obvs turned out not to be needed).

In addition, B's mum (who she is super close to) lives in our city and has a three bed house which she lives in alone but didn't offer to have any of the kids come and stay with her. This would've been a much more logical solution imo but was shot down by B citing mum's mental health (no diagnosis, just highly strung).

I'm not bothered about B not doing me favours. I've not yet had to ask for one yet in 5 years so 🤷‍♀️

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TwiceAsNice22 · 22/02/2022 19:43

I think you made the right call for all the reasons you outlined. Your priority is your children's safety. I can see why your ex’s partner is frosty though. From her point of view she will see her nephews and nieces as victims of abuse, not as a potential risk to your children. And she probably felt desperate to help them in anyway she could. I think your ex was happy for you to take the blame, rather than tell his partner that he agreed with you.

GreenClock · 22/02/2022 19:44

It wouldn’t have worked. I feel sorry for the other children and I imagine that poor B is worried sick, but you have to protect yours.

LazyMareofEastown · 22/02/2022 19:44

Sweet

"Well your ex is a genius anyway. He knew you'd say no so now you're the bad guy and he didn't have to do what he didn't want to."

This is exactly what my DP said. Tbh I don't mind being the bad guy if it takes the heat off Ex. I have no horse in that race.

Ex knew he didn't need my consent but he also told me he wouldn't make a decision that would impact on our kids that I was dead against. Nor would I if the roles were reversed. We are friends and repsect each other's opinion and input.

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Georgeskitchen · 22/02/2022 19:47

You did the right thing. For all.the kids. I hope B's frostiness towards you doesn't spill over onto your dc's. Just keep an eye on things x

Leeds2 · 22/02/2022 19:48

Sounds like your Ex didn't want the children to stay either, but wanted you to say "no" so that the blame could be laid at your door.

FennecShandDoesEverything · 22/02/2022 19:49

I was prepared to say YWBU based only on title but you weren't. I would have done the same for my DC.