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AIBU?

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To not want to an out of hours work meeting at 7:30am?

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Hop27 · 21/02/2022 06:19

I work in a small leadership team, and generally speaking we offer flexibility around meeting times so that is suits all of the team. We used to hold a meeting at 7:30am for 1 hour on a Friday, so that it didn’t interrupt our billable client time. But one of our team moved onto a 4 day week, so we moved the meeting to mid-week at 8:30am to suit them, but we did condense the meeting into 30 minutes. The person who worked a 4 day week has now left and our manager wants the meeting back on a Friday at 7:30am. AIBU to request for the meeting not to be moved? I have a fitness related commitment which I would not be able to do, if I had to be in the office at 7:30am? I could rearrange my routine, but honestly I don’t want to. I like getting up at 5, to go to this class and not having to take a gym bag to work (and lug it round with me if I go out for Friday drinks). My contracted hours are 8:30-5pm, but we are always expected to do more outside of those. AIBU to request the meeting isn’t moved or should I just accept the change to avoid a potential conflict?

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BritishDesiGirl · 21/02/2022 06:27

Good morning, OP

You are not being unreasonable

I wouldn't see it as creating conflict if you raised this as an issue. If your hours are 8.30 till 5.00 then you should be working between those times. Are you paid for any extra work you do or did before?

I wouldn't want to be in a meeting that early out of expectation, if it was outside my normal hours unless they were paying me.

It isn't fair and actually, your manager needs to find a way of holding a meeting without affecting clientele, or having staff present out of their own working hours .

Sexnotgender · 21/02/2022 06:28

YANBU. Fuck a 7.30 meeting!

As a one of I’d maybe consider it, regularly, absolutely not.

Sexnotgender · 21/02/2022 06:29

One off**

OfstedOffred · 21/02/2022 06:31

Are you paid a fuck ton?

The only people I know subjected to this sort of crap are lawyers etc who earn a huge amount. The more your employer pays you the more they are going to demand their pound of flesh.

Pyri · 21/02/2022 06:32

I’d say no too

If it worked as 30 mins there is no need to make it an hour so people can listen to the sound of their own voice

Sweetdealer · 21/02/2022 06:32

Every Friday morning?? That’s totally unreasonable. What’s your career like? Could you easily find another role? This job sounds a bit crap to be honest.

SusieSusieSoo · 21/02/2022 06:34

I think it's fair enough of you to say the world's moved on, you have a Friday morning commitment now so you can't change now.

Think about it, if it was a bloke with a golf commitment - maybe tennis - I don't imagine anyone would expect him to move that or is that just the industry where I work

Totalwasteofpaper · 21/02/2022 06:43

Yanbu
just say you now have commitments and can't do Friday.

Also assume, as others have, that this isn't some 50k pa job and it pays bank although i personally love sleep so would need a min. 500k base salary to get up at 5am on weekly basis

If I was feeling especially saintly I might offer 8am midweek but that would be IT.

Brefugee · 21/02/2022 06:57

do you work for Elon Musk?

Why does it eat into billable hours if it's after 7:30? do you work fixed hours? We have to maximise our billable hours, but as long as we can work effectively we can work those hours at any time. But our senior management frowns on meetings held outside 8am and 6pm due to work-life-balance.

Changeee15467 · 21/02/2022 06:58

Please tell me you earn enough to justify this?!

AtillatheHun · 21/02/2022 07:03

It’s only acceptable if there are eg Australians on the call who you need to accommodate and even then - weekly? No.

PrincessNutella · 21/02/2022 07:06

If ever there was a time to have a meeting outside of work hours, before 8:00 am ain't it.

purplehairlady · 21/02/2022 07:09

Entirely depends what your job is and how much you get paid.

KeepYaHeadUp · 21/02/2022 07:11

YANBU.

The 7.30 meeting would be fine for me if I was in a role, and in a team, where flexible working was encouraged. But that works both ways and if you're to be available flexibly to your employer they need to accommodate your personally commitments too.

Gunpowder · 21/02/2022 07:13

YANBU!

I would just say ‘Unfortunately I have a regular commitment on Fridays before work, so that time doesn’t work for me any more.’

Definitely don’t apologise!

Campervangirl · 21/02/2022 07:16

I'm just about to join my 7:30 am Monday meeting 🙄
The person I have it with is on approx 3 times my wage but the meeting time suits his schedule.
Sometimes he doesn't show up and never let's me know, sometimes the meeting lasts 10 minutes, complete waste of my time.
It used to be 3 meetings a week but we've got it down to one, I feel you're pain op, I dread this meeting, I have to get up at 5am, no time for breakfast, it starts my whole week off wrong.

eurochick · 21/02/2022 07:17

I agree it depends on the role but generally regular meetings should be in your core hours.

stayathomer · 21/02/2022 07:18

I think no matter what you get paid if you're not told your hours are that then no way! I used to start work at 7.30 but it was in my contract that I got to finish at 4.30. Do you finish an hour early as a result or is it just seen as necessary overtime?

WutheringHeights66 · 21/02/2022 07:19

If it’s worked perfectly well
Mid week then I think you should leave it as it is. Bring it up at the next meeting, I bet you won’t be the only one not happy about this regular slot.

We have been told that we are
Now expected to travel to London once a month for a team meeting (200 miles for me, most of the team are Home Counties) - I pointed out that the T&Cs of my contract which are different to theirs as I’m much less senior mean I’m entitled to claim overtime for every part quarter hour over my 8 hours and it would be 3 hours a month.

Funnily enough I can dial in from Teams now.

Arabellla · 21/02/2022 07:19

Yanbu, I would say that you now have a conflicting recurring appointment which means this no longer works for you.

Arabellla · 21/02/2022 07:20

@Campervangirl

I'm just about to join my 7:30 am Monday meeting 🙄 The person I have it with is on approx 3 times my wage but the meeting time suits his schedule. Sometimes he doesn't show up and never let's me know, sometimes the meeting lasts 10 minutes, complete waste of my time. It used to be 3 meetings a week but we've got it down to one, I feel you're pain op, I dread this meeting, I have to get up at 5am, no time for breakfast, it starts my whole week off wrong.

What a pain. Could they be done via Teams at least?

user1496146479 · 21/02/2022 07:20

@PrincessNutella

If ever there was a time to have a meeting outside of work hours, before 8:00 am ain't it.

Working globally can be a reason. If you have colleagues from Asia, it's common to try find a time with the least but still some impact to all

MotorwayDiva · 21/02/2022 07:21

Normally I'd suck it up, especially if you were working from home, but to be in the office on a Friday at that time, and the reason is to not impact billable hours I'd argue it.

OttilieKnackered · 21/02/2022 07:26

@Totalwasteofpaper

Yanbu just say you now have commitments and can't do Friday.

Also assume, as others have, that this isn't some 50k pa job and it pays bank although i personally love sleep so would need a min. 500k base salary to get up at 5am on weekly basis

If I was feeling especially saintly I might offer 8am midweek but that would be IT.

Lol at £50k per year just being ‘some job.’ 50k a year is still more than the vast majority of people earn.

lugeforlife · 21/02/2022 07:27

Firstly yanbu. You have a commitment now and can't do it.

Secondly are they proposing to move it back to the full hour? If 30 mins was working that stays and you start at 8. On another day.

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