To not want to an out of hours work meeting at 7:30am?

[Hop27]

I work in a small leadership team, and generally speaking we offer flexibility around meeting times so that is suits all of the team. We used to hold a meeting at 7:30am for 1 hour on a Friday, so that it didn’t interrupt our billable client time. But one of our team moved onto a 4 day week, so we moved the meeting to mid-week at 8:30am to suit them, but we did condense the meeting into 30 minutes. The person who worked a 4 day week has now left and our manager wants the meeting back on a Friday at 7:30am. AIBU to request for the meeting not to be moved? I have a fitness related commitment which I would not be able to do, if I had to be in the office at 7:30am? I could rearrange my routine, but honestly I don’t want to. I like getting up at 5, to go to this class and not having to take a gym bag to work (and lug it round with me if I go out for Friday drinks). My contracted hours are 8:30-5pm, but we are always expected to do more outside of those. AIBU to request the meeting isn’t moved or should I just accept the change to avoid a potential conflict?

Depends what you are paid. If you're well-paid I don't think it's unreasonable to expect extra like this- it's only once a week. If you're paid minimum wage or low wage Then it's an unreasonable ask.

You’re not being unreasonable at all, I’d be looking for a new job. The only reason I’d consider it is if I was trying to impress for some reasons - such as trying for a pay ride or promotion or something. But if you’re not getting anything out of it then no. You have a right to a reasonable home-work life balance and reasonable hours of work and you’ll be a more productive work for it too.

Depends what you are paid. If you're well-paid I don't think it's unreasonable to expect extra like this- it's only once a week. If you're paid minimum wage or low wage Then it's an unreasonable ask
I'm not sure I agree with that, where is the line drawn? And when you think of all the comments on mn that people say the lower wage workers work for their money where higher earners don't have to do as much whereas it sounds like if you get paid a lot you should lose your outside life.

@Campervangirl

I'm just about to join my 7:30 am Monday meeting 🙄 The person I have it with is on approx 3 times my wage but the meeting time suits his schedule. Sometimes he doesn't show up and never let's me know, sometimes the meeting lasts 10 minutes, complete waste of my time. It used to be 3 meetings a week but we've got it down to one, I feel you're pain op, I dread this meeting, I have to get up at 5am, no time for breakfast, it starts my whole week off wrong.

I think I would be job hunting.

Find another job, quit.

I stayed in my last job unhappily wayyyy too long and then got the first job I applied for, better pay, better hours, better perks, better managers. (I mean I'm a teacher so not sky high pay, just better than before). I'm so happy.

People stay in unhappy jobs sometimes because they crush your confidence and think you can't find better. You almost definitely can

I wouldn’t mention the gym, just tell them that the 8.30 meeting suits your schedule better. And if the meeting does have to be moved then you will attend remotely before commuting in to the office.

Of course yanbu

Just advise that you have other commitments (you don't have to say what) at that time so will be unable to attend if they move it back.

The decision then lies with them, if they want/need you there they don't move it back.

Is this a Skype at-home meeting or is it at the office?

That is ridiculous. I wouldn't do it, and I'm a higher earner! Tell your boss meetings at 7.30am aren't convenient for you, ever.

Yes it must be a very small team and a very small company. I often have ad hoc early and late meetings, especially since Covid, crisis management committee don't tend to blub about being called in at odd times. I think it's sad how weak people are now, I just can't imagine not being fully focused on my job.

@JuergenSchwarzwald

Where I work, UK staff would be expected to suck up the occasional 7.30am meeting

occasional, not every week

Weekly for me!

@PollyPage

Yes it must be a very small team and a very small company. I often have ad hoc early and late meetings, especially since Covid, crisis management committee don't tend to blub about being called in at odd times. I think it's sad how weak people are now, I just can't imagine not being fully focused on my job.

Congratulations on your pay cuts!!!

I have no idea what that means but I earn a very nice tax free salary. I love my job, I love my life and am eternally gtateful for the life my company have given me.

@PollyPage

I have no idea what that means but I earn a very nice tax free salary. I love my job, I love my life and am eternally gtateful for the life my company have given me.

Salary is a nice name for total pay expected for the total number of contracted hours allocated to working for your employer.

£100,015.50pa or £51.29ph
Salary is rounded to down to look prettier as 100k on the contract.

@£51.29 per hour
7.5 hours per day
× 5 days a week
×52 weeks per year

Work an paid hour extra per day
(51.29× 8.5 × 5 × 52)
£113,350.90

But what actually happens is the salary is fixed hours are added so pay per hour drops

£100,015.50 ÷ 8.5 ÷ 5 ÷ 52
So the rate drops to £45.25 per hour.

Salary £88k pa + OT

I don't get paid in pounds and not an annual salary. I get a basic permonth plus various allowances, offshore, shift, responsibility plus a location allowance which varies depending on risk and distance. Since this adds up to over 10k a month completely tax free, plus 5 bed villa rent free, free utilities and maintenance, free leisure facilities, annual flight allowance and full private school fees one overseas boarder, end of service gratuity of one month per year worked, full and unlimited private medical insurance, I am fine with doing my job and don't resent a second of it. So not everyone is the same and I for one feel grateful and blessed for my job, my career and my life.

@PollyPage

I don't get paid in pounds and not an annual salary. I get a basic permonth plus various allowances, offshore, shift, responsibility plus a location allowance which varies depending on risk and distance. Since this adds up to over 10k a month completely tax free, plus 5 bed villa rent free, free utilities and maintenance, free leisure facilities, annual flight allowance and full private school fees one overseas boarder, end of service gratuity of one month per year worked, full and unlimited private medical insurance, I am fine with doing my job and don't resent a second of it. So not everyone is the same and I for one feel grateful and blessed for my job, my career and my life.

Summary Employee gets paid when employee turns up and works.

OP is not paid so expected to work 6.4+ days for free

I simply don't agree. I'm so glad I don't employ british housewives in my team

@PollyPage

I don't get paid in pounds and not an annual salary. I get a basic permonth plus various allowances, offshore, shift, responsibility plus a location allowance which varies depending on risk and distance. Since this adds up to over 10k a month completely tax free, plus 5 bed villa rent free, free utilities and maintenance, free leisure facilities, annual flight allowance and full private school fees one overseas boarder, end of service gratuity of one month per year worked, full and unlimited private medical insurance, I am fine with doing my job and don't resent a second of it. So not everyone is the same and I for one feel grateful and blessed for my job, my career and my life.

Surely you recognise that your work situation is very, very unusual and so your perspective is not all that useful for the majority of people. Can you understand that for people who receive lower salaries/work bonuses and are expected to do this, that and the other, that then being expected to work outside of contracted hours might feel agrieved?

@PollyPage

I simply don't agree. I'm so glad I don't employ british housewives in my team

This is just the weirdest flex. My salary is comparable to yours and I'm not even 30. I work maybe 4 hours a day, from home. If you know how to do your job properly, out of hours meetings are not a necessity and therefore I'll never allow them in my team.

Sorry you have to give up your life for a six figure salary and a 5 bedroom villa.

@PollyPage

I simply don't agree. I'm so glad I don't employ british housewives in my team

xenophobia.

Ignoring that the OP is in paid employment.

Sneering that a woman who manages food and accommodation and personal assistantance on a budget would not be employed.

By someone who cant understand they give themselves a paycut by working extra for free.

OP so what has happened?