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BEETROOT

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loopylou6 · 02/01/2008 12:49

right i wasnt sure where to put this, but i think this thread is the most appropriate.
We have recently had a couple of scares with beetroot, first off my ds (8) went the toilet for a poo and started shouting me manically, the toilet looked like something from jaws, after a few minutes of severe panicking it emerged he has eaten beetroot at school, secondly my dad phoned me in a right old flap because he was weeing blood, again turned out he had eaten beetroot, the thing is, what if someone with heart problems or similar was unaware of the effects of beetroot this could cause catastophies, i really think there should be some sort of a warning on the jars, whgat do u think? am i being silly? or should i contact some manufacterors?

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BrieVinDeAlkaSeltzer · 02/01/2008 15:50

You swines, I am in work I am busy and I am not supposed to be on here.

I have supressed my laughter so much that I have tears running down my face and my sales Director is gone off to get me two paracetamol, as he thinks my fluey cold is back.

loopylou6 · 02/01/2008 15:50

see now i knew about asparagus, but (obviously) was clueless about the lovely beetroot effect, asparagus can turn your wee green i think? lolol at skulking round toilets sniffing the wee aroma

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suedonim · 02/01/2008 15:51

Suebaroo, I don't keep a penlight specifically for that purpose, more so as I have some source of light when in one of our regular plunges into the African darkness. Btw, I saw a Gillian McKeith prog for first time recently and was rather !!!!

SueBaroo · 02/01/2008 15:53

um, Ok Sue. Twasn't me that remarked upon your ability to illuminate your poo, but I salute your resourcefulness!

suedonim · 02/01/2008 15:56

And I have a genuine P&T topic for AIBU!

suedonim · 02/01/2008 15:57

Lol, my apologies!! I meant Kewcumber, of course.

Blandmum · 02/01/2008 15:59

asparagus only makes you wee smell funny if you lack an enzyme that breaks down specific suphur compunds in the aspargus.

If you don't have the right enzyme, asparagus makes your wee smelly odd. In addition you have to be able to smell the compound....another geneticly determined trait. So it might be making your wee smell funny but you can't smell it!

catsmother · 02/01/2008 16:06

This thread is so funny. I eat loads of beetroot but although I knew about the theory of "beet-wee", have never noticed any side effects myself (but then don't peer down the lav especially often TBH).

One thing that does always happen though is "sugarpuff-wee" ...... now they defintitely make your wee smell, well, sugarpufferish .....

catsmother · 02/01/2008 16:07

Have just noticed Hifi's post ...... so am not going mad !

Blandmum · 02/01/2008 16:12

Asparagus

Asparagusic acid is the culprit, or alpha-aminodimethyl-gamma-butyrothetin for those of chemical mind. It is found in asparagus, and a few other food plants, though some non-food plants like tropical mangrove also contain it. The other interesting thing about asparagusic acid, other than being the chemical that probably makes urine smell after eating asparagus, is that it is kills parasitic nematodes, and protects the asparagus plant against them.

But the asparagus and smelly urine problem is more complicated. Not all of us can actually smell the smell in urine if it is there. The frequency of this inability to smell the odour is high, and tests have shown that 90% of an Israeli population and 75% of a Chinese population have anosmia (inability to smell). There is another proportion of the population with a degree of hyposmia, in which the smell is not distinct and can be confused with other smells.

Clearly this complicates finding out how many people have smelly urine after eating asparagus. Self-report is no use, and studies would need objective (and ideally blind) independent smelling of the urine. With this caveat, it seems that about 40% of the UK population produce smelly urine after eating asparagus based on tests on almost 1,000 people. Other studies suggest that French, Israeli and Chinese populations all produce odorous urine. It may all be down to the smelling.

The interesting thing about asparagus is that despite appearing in historical works for about 2,500 years, it was only in the 1700s that it was associated with malodorous urine. This coincided with the use of sulphur-rich fertilizers to improve the flavour of asparagus and onions and garlic.

Beetroot

The red colour of beetroot comes from pigments called betacyanins. These are acid/base indicators that are structurally unstable at extremes of pH, and have optical stability at pH 4 to 5. Red colour in urine, therefore, is dependent on urine pH. For the urine to be red, unchanged beetroot pigments have to be absorbed, and excreted.

During digestion beetroot pigments are subjected to changes in pH, especially the low pH in the stomach. At a pH of 2, found in the fasting stomach, the betacyanins are rapidly decomposed. Conditions where stomach pH is higher, and where there is rapid gastric emptying, would be more likely to cause coloured urine after eating beetroot.

All of which makes it unsurprising that all of us have beetroot pigments in our urine after eating beetroot. In most, though, the colour is too faint to see with the naked eye, though clearly present when investigated by chromatography in the laboratory. Older research indicated anything between 0% and 90% prevalence of red urine after eating beetroot.

What makes urine red depends. It depends on the type of beetroot, the way it is prepared, how much is eaten, what else is eaten, and other factors, like protective effects of oxalic acid. Those other factors may include use of drugs that raise gastric pH, especially histamine antagonists and proton pump inhibitors. There is at least one case-report of erythruria (red urine) after eating beetroot while on ranitidine [2].

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