Andy Burnham

[Thedogscollar]

AIBU after watching and listening to Andy Burnham on Question Time to plead with him to be the next Labour Party Leader?

He was engaging, passionate, fair and stood up for the ordinary working families of this nation.

Keir Starmer is a nice enough man but when Andy Burnham speaks he is so passionate about his politics which seems lacking in Keir Starmer.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

He likes stoking the North/South divide, making out everyone in London and South East is rich and stamping in the face of Northerners who are apparently all poor. London based Cleaners and Manchester based millionaire business owners must be confused every time he speaks.

Many Southerners wont vote for him on that basis.

This. I like him. I really do. But I dislike his south bashing, it’s unnecessary. Like everyone in the south is sitting on a massive pile of cash hoarding it away from the north with an evil cackle.

But I do like him and like his passion.

Kier seems to be finding his fire more, he’s been a bit more feisty in question time.

This levelling up, make sure your very very careful how it is implemented.

I live in an area of the south that’s recently “levelled up”. What that reality means is every bit of land has been built or will be built on. Workshops and office blocks are now converted to homes and we are now a commuter town with no jobs locally.
You can’t get a house for less than £500,000 and flats are £350,000 upwards.

It was a bit rough round the edges, but was filled with little industries. Now it’s still rough round the edges but no one can actually afford to live or work here.

I know some parts of Manchester are going the same and lockdown relocaters are pushing london money out (which is what we’ve been hit with as well).

Levelling up needs to be more than just building houses on greenbelt for landlord companies to rent out to struggling locals.

[quote Louisianagumbo]@Blossomtoes. What have the Tories got to do with Andy Burnhams poor track record?[/quote]
Nothing. It’s just predictable whataboutery.

Nothing. It’s just predictable whataboutery

Fuckin hilarious!
Just take a look on the many anti BJ threads and count how many people like you jumping in with pretty much any topic going to divert from the actual thread.

Whataboutery indeed.

@Alexandra2001

Nothing. It’s just predictable whataboutery

Fuckin hilarious!
Just take a look on the many anti BJ threads and count how many people like you jumping in with pretty much any topic going to divert from the actual thread.

Whataboutery indeed.

Are you ok?

@EvilPea

This levelling up, make sure your very very careful how it is implemented.

I live in an area of the south that’s recently “levelled up”. What that reality means is every bit of land has been built or will be built on. Workshops and office blocks are now converted to homes and we are now a commuter town with no jobs locally.
You can’t get a house for less than £500,000 and flats are £350,000 upwards.

It was a bit rough round the edges, but was filled with little industries. Now it’s still rough round the edges but no one can actually afford to live or work here.

I know some parts of Manchester are going the same and lockdown relocaters are pushing london money out (which is what we’ve been hit with as well).

Levelling up needs to be more than just building houses on greenbelt for landlord companies to rent out to struggling locals.

Yes. 'Levelling up' is very much a case of be careful what you wish for.

We all know the dire consequences of the 'investment' in London, for example. The huge amount of human misery and suffering that has caused - that has led to London having two thirds of all of England's homeless families, where precious spare land is covered with expensive new builds that locals can't afford (hence the homelessness).

Nothing. It’s just predictable whataboutery

Just like the post it was in response to.

So it was Andy Burnham who was responsible for the divisive 'levelling up' thing?

If Andy wants a future go at leading the Labour Party (only after Starmer has a fair go), he needs to lose the, as Omar Khan, author of the excellent article I linked yesterday, says, lazy and reductive London is cosmopolitan elite narrative. Likewise the dismissal of the wider south.

YABU I prefer Starmer. Seems more statesmanlike than Burnham, if you think about them in the context of the world.

Starmer makes my skin crawl, and besides that he's so cringeworthy and weak he'd be a national embarrassment. Has he actually got ANY ideas about anything??

Andy Burnham is not as awful, but still, no.

@Iamthewombat

Really? I think that he’s a sanctimonious, whining arse. And he’s my mayor. Kier Starmer is in a different league.

Couldn't agree more. Also comes across as "Northerner with chip in shoulder" and that boils my piss as my southern community doesn't have a pot to piss in.

@jowly How does he make your skin crawl ? What an awful comment. Better than the shower of sh**e we have at the moment. And yup he and his team do have ideas, may be do some research ?

Nobody will ever get elected on a ticket promising more money for anyone - our elections have become a "spend less" contest.