Andy Burnham

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AIBU after watching and listening to Andy Burnham on Question Time to plead with him to be the next Labour Party Leader?

He was engaging, passionate, fair and stood up for the ordinary working families of this nation.

Keir Starmer is a nice enough man but when Andy Burnham speaks he is so passionate about his politics which seems lacking in Keir Starmer.

Neither was Boris Johnson liked by many when he was mayor of London

But voted for mayor in a labour voting city

I’m not sure mayors are particularly popular but it’s a platform often for those with higher ambitions

Kier Starmer should be way ahead in the polls but he isn’t. Labour need to be looking at the next election he just is t winning over voters

I quite liked him until the CAZ idea. What a disaster the will be for the self employed in greater Manchester 😞 I also think it's naive to think it will never apply to standard cars if it was implemented.

I love Andy Burnham despite not being a Labour supporter.
I was at an event with him last year (virtual) and he was really nice and down to Earth. He disappeared off screen at one point to make himself a cuppa
Apart from actually making sense about a lot of things I was mesmerised by his eyelashes

I don't understand the love for Starmer. There seems to be no passion and no policies. Corbyn worried me but at least he stood for something.

I quite like Andy Burnham.

DH once said he's got the kind of face that looks like it might pop up above your fence and say 'can I have my ball back, please Miss?'
Yes to the lashes tho.

Kier Starmer should be way ahead in the polls but he isn’t. Labour need to be looking at the next election he just is t winning over voters

Labour are ahead in the polls at the moment and have been for a few weeks. Someone upthread said it should be a Labour landslide if there was a GE next week and it wouldn't be and that's Keir Starmer's fault. I completely disagree with that. Tories got a massive majority a couple of years ago and overturning that was never going to be easy for Labour no matter who their leader was. It's relatively easy for Burnham to pop up now and again shouting about the north and being quite bombastic. There are many who find that appealing and call it charisma, but just as many who don't. As leader of the opposition he'd have had more airtime and would have had to appeal to a broader base. I don't think he'd have been any more of a miracle worker than Starmer has been.

I've been disappointed with Starmer at some points over the last two years but I think he's finding his feet and is finally cutting through, though he's obviously being helped by the Tories at the moment. I'm sick of people saying he has no policies when Labour have clearly set out alternative plans for the fuel price rises and coming out of Covid and there's loads more detail about longer term stuff on their website too.

I think Burnham would be quite divisive as leader and I agree with those who didn't like seeing him go against Yvette Cooper - nasty attitude came through too often. I just think anyone who wants the Tories out needs to get behind the leader we now have in KS at the moment.

This is why you shouldn't be able vote OP, without researching who or what you're voting for. He's literally just been found out over his deceitful 'Clean Air Tax' plot to tax people everything they drive anywhere. The air is actually clean if you look at any air quality forecast in the UK.

*anytime not everything.

@lucylucyapplejuicy

Your obviously not from Manchester as he is not well liked here as our mayor

Came here to say exactly the same!

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Labour’s lead has dropped in recent weeks

I don’t say it was Starmer’s fault he just doesn’t have mass appeal

Labour are up against a leader who does (still after all this) and the Tories will only replace him with someone who will keep many of those seats

How can it be overlooked that people don’t just vote for policies they vote for someone they think can lead the country. Time and time again when the public are asked about Starmer they are too many responses along the lines of what does he stand for, who is he, I don’t know what he believes in because he doesn’t make people sit up and listen. I am no fav of Corbyn at all but the did do this

I want to get behind a leader who I feel will win the next election and I disappoint that it won’t be Starmer but like I said he should be way ahead in the polls and he isn’t so best to replace him with someone that will have more appeal

Team Andy B here! think he would be a good Labour leader.
Keir needs to show some gumption and be all over this shower of incompetents but we don’t hear a lot of fire when he speaks
He also needs to really grill the SNP about their financial plans and pensions and while he’s at it wipe the floor with that pompous little man Ian Blackford.

@JimmyDurham

Trouble is too many in the Labour Party hate him.

Good. Because the leader they loved made them unelectable. The Labour Party needs to attract new support and an extreme left leader is never going to do that.

I am from Greater Manchester and he is well liked as Mayor amongst the people I know. I like his passion and he seems relatable, something Keir Starmer is lacking.

He’s the epitome of ‘all fur coat and no knickers’. A career politician who would take any job to keep his ambitions to be PM on track.

That just about sums him up in my opinion.

@trippinglyonthetongue

Kier Starmer should be way ahead in the polls but he isn’t. Labour need to be looking at the next election he just is t winning over voters

Labour are ahead in the polls at the moment and have been for a few weeks. Someone upthread said it should be a Labour landslide if there was a GE next week and it wouldn't be and that's Keir Starmer's fault. I completely disagree with that. Tories got a massive majority a couple of years ago and overturning that was never going to be easy for Labour no matter who their leader was. It's relatively easy for Burnham to pop up now and again shouting about the north and being quite bombastic. There are many who find that appealing and call it charisma, but just as many who don't. As leader of the opposition he'd have had more airtime and would have had to appeal to a broader base. I don't think he'd have been any more of a miracle worker than Starmer has been.

I've been disappointed with Starmer at some points over the last two years but I think he's finding his feet and is finally cutting through, though he's obviously being helped by the Tories at the moment. I'm sick of people saying he has no policies when Labour have clearly set out alternative plans for the fuel price rises and coming out of Covid and there's loads more detail about longer term stuff on their website too.

I think Burnham would be quite divisive as leader and I agree with those who didn't like seeing him go against Yvette Cooper - nasty attitude came through too often. I just think anyone who wants the Tories out needs to get behind the leader we now have in KS at the moment.

Labour's lead dropped hugely when a more representative sample of the population was polled.

Kier Starmer is unelectable. Even when the Tories are at rock bottom, Starmer remains a weak, bumbling buffoon with no ideas on how to take the party forward.

The very last thing Labour needs now is another leadership election. It would take up all their energy in the two years leading up to the GE and there definitely wouldn't be any clear policies coming through until the new person was bedded in with a team around them. They would look self-obsessed and inward looking rather than caring about the electorate. When campaigning starts we'll get a fair look at the policies but they have a long way to go as a result of the disastrous Corbyn years.

He's very relatable.. normal sounding bloke. We need someone like that on our sides. Not the utter ridiculousness we have in power at the moment.
My bf is from greater Manchester and he was given a great chance after some difficulties on some amazing courses funded by Andy Burnham in GM. He'd always get my vote.

Your obviously not from Manchester as he is not well liked here as our mayor

He got 70% of the vote at the last election, an increase from the previous one. And that's before the second round votes were counted (they didn't count them as it was a clear win). That level of support is very rare in mayoral elections.

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Well Starmer will not win the next election

Labour should take that chance can be down swiftly polices will not be hugely different and I don’t think many people care about the party looking inwards if they think the leader could do a good job at leading the country

That the problem with Labour they are too self absorbed about party politics that most don’t care about rather than getting voters to vote for them

Well Starmer will not win the next election

Let’s hope your crystal ball’s malfunctioning.

Full on TWAW, so no.

Let’s hope Labour become more ambitious than just being the better party this isn’t enough

Labour should be so far ahead in the polls and they are not

I worked in the NHS when he was SoS for Health, in a role where what he said in public mattered. He was a liability, and the reason he comes across as likeable is because he gives the impression of giving you exactly what you want when it's really not in his gift to do so. So there were a few occasions where he said something in a speech, NHS managers rushed to adopt it as gospel, and we found ourselves wide open to litigation.

He easy to listen to and for some easy on the eye, but he is a naked populist, just clever enough not to sound like one. Just look at how he has vacillated over the Greater Manchester Clean Air Zone, promising voters that it won't impact them personally and suddenly backtracking when he realised it is toxic to small businesses, the owners of which happen to be voters too.

He'll never make a decent leader because he simply does not understand either responsibility or accountability, or the difference between the two.

As Mayor of Greater Manchester he can get away with talking an awful lot without actually doing anything, and everything is always someone else's responsibility, although that says as much about how much real power has been devolved as it does about the little weasel himself.