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FirstAconite · 18/02/2022 00:59

@Thedogscollar

*At least he's a grown up

Yes he is and I will vote for his party and for him to be PM.

Anything has to be better than the self serving bunch in power right now.

How can you vote for him if he's not even an MP? Unless you mean as mayor.

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Thedogscollar · 18/02/2022 01:11

@FirstAconite
That conversation was with a pp about Keir Starmer.

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notangelinajolie · 18/02/2022 01:17

Can't link to other threads about him on here but it wouldn't be a difficult search to discover his opinion on women's rights.

Blossomtoes · 18/02/2022 01:22

@notangelinajolie

Can't link to other threads about him on here but it wouldn't be a difficult search to discover his opinion on women's rights.

Looks OK to me.

www.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/news/mayor-andy-burnham-launches-new-campaign-to-tackle-gender-based-violence/

AuntTwacky · 18/02/2022 01:26

@Thedogscollar

AIBU after watching and listening to Andy Burnham on Question Time to plead with him to be the next Labour Party Leader?

He was engaging, passionate, fair and stood up for the ordinary working families of this nation.

Keir Starmer is a nice enough man but when Andy Burnham speaks he is so passionate about his politics which seems lacking in Keir Starmer.

YANBU I agree!

Tealightsandd · 18/02/2022 01:35

@sandgrown

All Keir Starmer appears to do is try to knock Boris down . No evidence of any great policies going forward. I think Andy Burnham would be a great leader and he should have won last time he put himself forward.

Burnham's trick seems to be copy the Conservatives on the stoke regional division schick (because it's easier than actual decent policies).

Also concerned about your hope OP for somebody who focuses on 'hardworking families'. It's well past time we had someone more inclusive of all - including the vulnerable, eg. those too elderly, ill, or disabled to work.

Who knows perhaps Andy Burnham will work on those issues and turn out to be (one day in the future) a good prospect.

But, right now quite frankly it's about time Labour stopped trying to copy the other side. Neither party benefits from internal game of thrones. Nor does the general public.

Labour need to give Keir Starmer a fair go - because he hasn't been given that yet. Maybe he'll disappoint, and if so then is the time to look at someone else. In the meantime the party should get behind him and give him their support.

Tealightsandd · 18/02/2022 01:38

I mean, Keir's doing well in the polls but his party want to dump him?

Ridiculous!

Give him a go first. If he fails, then Andy can put himself forwards if he wants to.

JimmyDurham · 18/02/2022 03:01

Trouble is too many in the Labour Party hate him.

LakieLady · 18/02/2022 06:28

Also concerned about your hope OP for somebody who focuses on 'hardworking families'. It's well past time we had someone more inclusive of all - including the vulnerable, eg. those too elderly, ill, or disabled to work

So many voters think that anyone of working age who doesn't work is an idle scrounger, I think that would be a vote loser.

He did good stuff as health/shadow health minister, and I have no reason to suspect that he wouldn't be in favour of improving the lot of all vulnerable groups. It's pretty much in the DNA of the Labour party.

If he'd still been in parliament, I think he could have beaten Starmer for the leadership. He's not left wing enough for my liking, but if it had been a contest between the 2 of them, he'd have got my vote. I think he's more personable and charismatic than Starmer (not hard to be more charismatic than Starmer, tbh) and would have been more popular with voters.

Starmer's very able, but he lacks the common touch that people can relate to imo.

VikingLundyMalin · 18/02/2022 06:32

@Iamthewombat

Really? I think that he’s a sanctimonious, whining arse. And he’s my mayor. Kier Starmer is in a different league.

I agree.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 18/02/2022 07:14

He likes stoking the North/South divide, making out everyone in London and South East is rich and stamping in the face of Northerners who are apparently all poor. London based Cleaners and Manchester based millionaire business owners must be confused every time he speaks.

Many Southerners wont vote for him on that basis.

megletthesecond · 18/02/2022 07:18

I still think he'd be a decent leader. I voted for him back then.
Or Cooper. But she might be playing the long game.

CaptainMerica · 18/02/2022 07:27

I really went off him during the leadership contest, where he ran against Yvette Cooper. There was something about the way he dismissed everything she said during debates that struck me as very disrespectful, even misogynistic. Strong angry little man vibes.

I've not seen him do the same since, and to be fair, he seems to do a good job in Manchester. At one point I thought he would be a good person to unite Labour, having allies on both the left, and more central camps. He has dug himself in as king of the North now though, and won't get support in the South.

WellJuhnelle · 18/02/2022 07:28

Andy Burnham’s only interest is Andy Burnham.

He’s having a bit of a hard time up here at the moment with the CAZ. It’s proving really unpopular and his reactions to the difficult questions are interesting. He told someone on the radio a few days ago that because he lived just outside GM he should stop ‘coming on here giving it the big gun’ and basically that he didn’t have to answer any of his questions as he ‘isn’t YOUR mayor’. He’s getting more and more petulant the more criticism he gets.

WispaBurgerbites · 18/02/2022 07:37

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

He likes stoking the North/South divide, making out everyone in London and South East is rich and stamping in the face of Northerners who are apparently all poor. London based Cleaners and Manchester based millionaire business owners must be confused every time he speaks.

Many Southerners wont vote for him on that basis.

I think what he's actually saying is that those who live outside the SE, don't have a voice in parliament/government. Which is fair.

sst1234 · 18/02/2022 07:39

He’s the epitome of ‘all fur coat and no knickers’. A career politician who would take any job to keep his ambitions to be PM on track. He was gbemm by labor health secretary at the time of PFIs, then ran for leadership, then mysteriously became so interested in local issues in the northwest that became the mayor there. Basically he wanted to distance himself from the rabid marxist takeover of Labour and saw a different route to party leadership one day.

MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2022 07:42

@Iamthewombat

Really? I think that he’s a sanctimonious, whining arse. And he’s my mayor. Kier Starmer is in a different league.

I wouldn’t want him either

MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2022 07:43

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

He likes stoking the North/South divide, making out everyone in London and South East is rich and stamping in the face of Northerners who are apparently all poor. London based Cleaners and Manchester based millionaire business owners must be confused every time he speaks.

Many Southerners wont vote for him on that basis.

Agree re this too

GCAcademic · 18/02/2022 07:51

No thanks. He’s a patronising misogynist who thinks he knows better than women do what a women is, supports Self-ID, and denounced the LGB alliance, so a homophobe as well since he clearly doesn’t believe in the right of gay-people to be same-sex attracted.

JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil · 18/02/2022 08:04

‘I think what he's actually saying is that those who live outside the SE, don't have a voice in parliament/government. Which is fair.’

I don’t think so at all. I think both the South and mainstream North are beholden to the Red Wall MPs currently who are apparently the only section of voters who count because they are ‘the people’. Time and time again London votes for Labour and parts of South East vote for Lib Dem and are saddled with Conservatives who use us as a scapegoat and Labour MPs like Burnham who also use us as a scapegoat from another angle.

Pre-retirement my DF was a park keeper and my immigrant DM was a carer. Neither of them had a voice in Parliament. Nobody gave a shit. They had far less representation than a wealthy businessman in Cheshire despite being South Eastern.

Drywhitefruitycidergin · 18/02/2022 08:04

I used to like him a lot but I think he's becoming a bit self-important. Found him a bit shouty & slogany on QT tonight.
I think he cares & of course he'd be better than current Tory gov't but that's not setting the bar high but not sure he has the universal appeal to win an election & I dread to think what he'd have to agree to for the Murdoch press to support him.

Armadeus · 18/02/2022 08:07

@GCAcademic right......

OhWhyNot · 18/02/2022 08:11

I think he has more general appeal to voters than Kier Starmer

And we know the importance of that

Kier Starmer just isn’t winning people over. I thought the opposite to Boris Johnson would unfortunately it’s not

If we had an election tomorrow it should be a labour landslide but it wouldn’t be

MarshaBradyo · 18/02/2022 08:15

I know this is ages ago, so maybe will be snarked at, but David Milliband spoke on radio the other day and I thought he’s one of the few people I could listen to

Calm but relatable, shame he left

I find Burnham bad but Starmer not so great either

lucylucyapplejuicy · 18/02/2022 08:17

Your obviously not from Manchester as he is not well liked here as our mayor