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Andy Burnham

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Thedogscollar · 17/02/2022 23:51

AIBU after watching and listening to Andy Burnham on Question Time to plead with him to be the next Labour Party Leader?

He was engaging, passionate, fair and stood up for the ordinary working families of this nation.

Keir Starmer is a nice enough man but when Andy Burnham speaks he is so passionate about his politics which seems lacking in Keir Starmer.

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VikingLundyMalin · 18/02/2022 19:58

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

Everyone in my local Labour Party want Andy Burnham as leader.

Down to earth.

We need a leader not someone who is down to earth.
VikingLundyMalin · 18/02/2022 20:00

[quote ExtraOnion]I live in Greater Manchester … I love our King of the North .. as do the huge percentage of people who voted for him.

For those interested in the facts about the CAZ, rather that the Tory propaganda about it .. please read this recently released statement. The CAZ was anyways, and remains, a government initiative, with govt decided deadlines.

andyformayor.co.uk/2022/02/18/personal-statement-by-rt-hon-andy-burnham-mayor-of-greater-manchester-on-the-gm-clean-air-zone/[/quote]
What has he actually done to deserve the title King of the North. The North is a big place, he's done nothing for Greater Manchester - the rest of the north are better off without him.

Blossomtoes · 18/02/2022 20:18

Still no reason for labelling him a misogynistic homophobe, then? Thought not.

RestingStitchFace · 18/02/2022 20:30

I don't think Starmer has any less conviction. I just think he's a calmer personality type - people place too much emphasis on personality imo. Look at Boris - all charisma and absolutely no moral scruples or skill.

(And Tbh, unless Labour change their stance on protecting the rights of natal women and girls, I wouldn't vote for any of them....)

LivingDeadGirlUK · 18/02/2022 20:45

@Louisianagumbo it sounds like your party politics mean you are not going to accept anything good said about him. As I said I'm not a labor voter so I did take the time to listen to all the candidates and there was not a single offering on par with him.

Also if Manchester was offered £60 million but that was dropped to £22 million, don't you think that shows central government in a worse light than AB O_o Or do you think its ok for places that voted a representative in from a different party to be 'punished' for trying to negotiate a better deal for local people?

I also find the comparison to the Liverpool mayor in bad taste, given he had lost a close family member to covid he made different choices, who can say if mass testing in GM would have the same effect given the difference in population size. I'd have been for it but as far as I can see nowhere else in England took it up either.

Plus the funding offered to Liverpool was more per head than Manchester, you can't just compare the lump sum, and that was one of AB arguments for continuing the negotiations.

AlternativelyWired · 18/02/2022 21:28

He was a good health secretary but now he doesn't know what a woman is, doesn't respond to questions from the people of Manchester and has become a bit of a plonker imo. I voted for him as our mayor too. Wouldn't do it again.

Louisianagumbo · 19/02/2022 00:21

It sounds like your party politics mean you are not going to accept anything good said about him.

You have no idea what my politics are. Anyone can talk and promise, but you have to deliver. You live in GM and you voted for him. If you've got good things to say about him, persuade me I'm wrong to not rate him. I asked you to give me some examples of what he's achieved for GM in his 6 years of being a mayor. You couldn't give me one.

Also if Manchester was offered £60 million but that was dropped to £22 million, don't you think that shows central government in a worse light than AB O_o Or do you think its ok for places that voted a representative in from a different party to be 'punished' for trying to negotiate a better deal for local people?

Well done. You've just found another skill he hasn't got. Negotiation. When you're negotiating, you need to get what you can but to refuse an offer so you end up with nothing, is not good negotiation. The govt offered 60m as a proportionate amount that had been offered and received by L'pool and Lancs. The 60m was never withdrawn. Burnham just refused to take it. The 22m was a separate amount and was given to help implement restrictions. There's no punishment. There was a formula that was used to calculate the funding for each area. Others, including labour areas, accepted it. AB thought he could push for more and he ended up with nothing. GM businesses still got funding but it was more complicated because of Burnhams actions.

I also find the comparison to the Liverpool mayor in bad taste, given he had lost a close family member to covid he made different choices, who can say if mass testing in GM would have the same effect given the difference *in population size.

Anderson took up the offer of mass testing, indeed he pushed to get it. It had a massive impact reducing Liverpool from having the highest areas to the lowest areas. Why is that in bad taste to point that out because his brother died? Anderson looked at the science and made the appropriate decision. Burnham was actually critical of the mass testing and told L'pool they were wasting their time because it wouldn't work. Except it did.

I'd have been for it but as far as I can see nowhere else in England took it up either.

You are very wrong. After seeing L'pool's success, 67 areas in England started doing mass testing. It was so successful that they couldn't keep up with demand and by the time it got to where I lived, they targeted it at certain groups rather than to the whole population.

Plus the funding offered to Liverpool was more per head than Manchester, you can't just compare the lump sum, and that was one of AB arguments for continuing the negotiations.

As I said above, it was worked out based on a formula. No one else refused the package they were offered other than the Burnham. While he was arguing, the hospitals were pleading for a lockdown because they were on the verge of being overrun. Ultimately, the govt locked GM down and Burnham walked away with no money. He's a tactical genius.

Having said all of that, I'm happy to hear your description of his successes as mayor. Prove me wrong for thinking he's a dud.

sst1234 · 19/02/2022 10:13

It’s amazing how people get taken in by a career politician with a track record of delivering precisely 0. It’s also reflective of what the Labour Party have become. The choices are current woeful leadership or people like this chancer who’ll take any job and say anything to further his future leadership bid.

Zonder · 19/02/2022 10:49

People who resort to slamming someone for being a career politician really make me laugh. There are career politicians in all parties and being one isn't necessarily a bad thing. It can show dedication and passion. And of course not being a career politician doesn't make someone any better. Just look at our current PM.

Alexandra2001 · 19/02/2022 10:59

Andy Burnham doesn't come under media scrutiny like Starmer does, if he did become labour leader, he would have to speak a lot more carefully and behave differently.

We have a choice, a decent hard working former lawyer & family man vs a former journalist, sacked twice for lying, with a string of women & children betrayed behind him.

Yet for some reason we want Boris... if any woman came on here with a partner like Boris, we'd all be shouting LTB !!!!

Armadeus · 19/02/2022 11:40

@MarshaBradyo don't worry. Starmer changed his mind re the £15 nmw. Hence Andy Mcdonald resigning and the hard left revolting.

NETSRIK · 19/02/2022 12:56

I think he would be a great PM.

Blossomtoes · 19/02/2022 13:16

@sst1234

It’s amazing how people get taken in by a career politician with a track record of delivering precisely 0. It’s also reflective of what the Labour Party have become. The choices are current woeful leadership or people like this chancer who’ll take any job and say anything to further his future leadership bid.
Because the Tories are so much better. Allowing the most corrupt politician of my lifetime to cling to power because they can’t think of anyone better. Best to look at what’s happening on your political doorstep before you start criticising the opposition @sst1234.
Elodie9 · 19/02/2022 13:30

We could give Keir Starmer a chance. I also would like to see David Miliband come back as a PP said. Quite frankly, I would vote for any party leader who could get this disgraceful shower out of government ,

Tealightsandd · 19/02/2022 13:43

I expect David Miliband is earning too much money out of charity in New York to come back. (Alan Johnson would've been the better choice back then imo).

I agree that Starmer needs to be given a chance. He does need to do some tweaking and changes but he hasn't been given a fair go yet. If he messes up, then would be the time for someone else to try (whoever that may be - Burnham, Rayner, etc).

As for the other side. A pp mentioned Sunak earlier. I don't think it's impossible for him. In the future. He's too inexperienced for now, and he's made (fairly big) mistakes including the stamp duty holiday. But I don't think his personal wealth should automatically exclude him. If he shows willingness and ability to learn, develop, and grow - and listen to and understand the issues for less privileged people, he could have potential.

Elodie9 · 19/02/2022 13:56

David Miliband is President and CEO of the International rescue committee and has been so since 2013 . In the times we are living through now his experience would be rather more valuable than our present Foreign secretary's I believe. He said that he has not ruled out a return to UK politics. I guess we shall see.

Louisianagumbo · 19/02/2022 13:57

@Blossomtoes. What have the Tories got to do with Andy Burnhams poor track record?

Blossomtoes · 19/02/2022 14:08

I was addressing the post I quoted. Sorry, Ms Thread Police.

MarshaBradyo · 19/02/2022 14:24

[quote Armadeus]@MarshaBradyo don't worry. Starmer changed his mind re the £15 nmw. Hence Andy Mcdonald resigning and the hard left revolting.[/quote]
Oh I missed that, thanks for update. Tg for that

Louisianagumbo · 19/02/2022 15:53

@Blossomtoes

I was addressing the post I quoted. Sorry, Ms Thread Police.
😂 I love being Ms Thread Police. 👮‍♀️ Do I get a badge?
Bazinga007 · 19/02/2022 15:58

He always looks like is 5 seconds away from starting to cry. Labour would never vote him in.

Rhannion · 19/02/2022 16:12

@Bazinga007

He always looks like is 5 seconds away from starting to cry. Labour would never vote him in.
😂
RedToothBrush · 19/02/2022 16:29

Well given the whole 'levelling up agenda' was a Burnham policy which Johnson nicked and was pretty popular and Starmer is about as good as a wet sack of spuds, he'd get my vote.

I am not sure id vote for either Johnson or Starmer or the yellow or green biology denying bellends.

deedeemegadoodoo · 19/02/2022 18:06

Can I point out that he is the Mayor of GREATER Manchester combined authority. There’s a few people just mentioning Manchester. Many people local to me are very unhappy with Burnham at the moment as it seems a lot of the our Greater Manchester areas are pulled into a lot of ‘his’ schemes due to us being in GM. This includes the CAZ and the Bee Network, which is causing chaos in our towns. We seem to have all of the disruptive ideas (e.g. making it difficult for drivers) but none of the advantages (such as trams or improved public transport). This is also a personal gripe - every news scheme seems to have some ‘Manchester Bee’ branding - this has nothing to do with many towns in Greater Manchester and just adds to the feelings of ‘separateness’ from Manchester. Many would prefer to be back to old fashion Lancashire.

Lordamighty · 19/02/2022 18:18

@RedToothBrush

Well given the whole 'levelling up agenda' was a Burnham policy which Johnson nicked and was pretty popular and Starmer is about as good as a wet sack of spuds, he'd get my vote.

I am not sure id vote for either Johnson or Starmer or the yellow or green biology denying bellends.

Andy Burnham is also a biology denying bellend.