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Virginia Guiffre and Andrew settle out of court

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Suzanne999 · 15/02/2022 16:15

From Metro
Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre have reached a ‘settlement in principle’ in the civil sex claim filed in the US, court documents show

Does this show his guilt? Water down in some way his actions? I’m sure some will say this proves she was only in it for the money. I think she and a lot of underage girls were abused but because of the wealth involved those guilty will never face justice. Can’t understand why I feel sad about this outcome.

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Roussette · 15/02/2022 20:49

And now we have that arse Nicholas Witchell pontificating about 'Andrew's possible route back into a Royal Family public life'.

Parsley1234 · 15/02/2022 20:51

@Roussette young Nicholas there is no route end of conversation 😬🤣

wealllovepj · 15/02/2022 20:51

I won't be celebrating the jubilee this year
They can all do one as far as I'm concerned.

Maireas · 15/02/2022 20:51

@Roussette

And now we have that arse Nicholas Witchell pontificating about 'Andrew's possible route back into a Royal Family public life'.
Oh dear lord, please no. I thought we'd finally got rid of the twerp.
TatianaBis · 15/02/2022 20:52

@XingMing

It was all sordid from the start. There were no right positions to be taken. He was a creep and took advantage of a possibly willing/groomed but very young woman. At 35, she decided to have her revenge. Nobody comes out of this looking good.
Euuch.
Roussette · 15/02/2022 20:52

Indeed.

Even the RF can't stand him despite his obsequious behaviour towards them!

Blossomtoes · 15/02/2022 20:52

@NinaDefoe

So basically the Crown Estates owned by the Queen (whilst she is in the throne) makes HM treasury a lot of money. The Royal family get 15-25% paid as a Sovereign grant.
Historically, Crown Estate properties were administered by the reigning monarch to help fund the business of governing the country. However, in 1760, George III surrendered control over the Estate's revenues to the Treasury,[5] thus relieving him of the responsibility of paying for the costs of the civil service, defence costs, the national debt, and his own personal debts. In return, he received an annual grant known as the Civil List.
Maireas · 15/02/2022 20:53

@XingMing

It was all sordid from the start. There were no right positions to be taken. He was a creep and took advantage of a possibly willing/groomed but very young woman. At 35, she decided to have her revenge. Nobody comes out of this looking good.
She's giving the settlement to charity to help other exploited women. I think she's done pretty well considering what she's been through.
Gardeningcreature · 15/02/2022 20:55

I’m quite annoyed she settled for the money.
To me it will lead to lots of people believing anyone who brings about a similar case is just doing it for the money.
She claimed she wasn’t doing it for the money and yet she has settled…..for the money. As far as I understand ‘charities’ can be set up fairly easily in the U.S. and VG can make herself part of that charity and a beneficiary.
I am deeply disappointed and feel she has let down other victims.
Also wtf is this Charity for Victims? What exactly does it do? Is it a registered charity or just something VG can set up and benefit financially from?
The whole episode is sickening, from the men who went along with it and only decided to speak out when it no longer benefitted them not to, to people who went to these parties and never questioned what young women were doing there copping off with rich (married?) older men.

girlmom21 · 15/02/2022 20:55

Of course he’s guilty. The rich don’t roll over if they have a point to prove, because they have endless funds to pursue their legal battles. He’s caved because he has to avoid court

He's settled because he's been told to. Nobody wants this overshadowing the Queen's jubilee, her death or Charles' coronation. Yes that sounds morbid but the monarchy won't continue to be taken seriously once the Queen has gone if this is front news for the next however many years - and realistically a drawn out court battle could take that long.

Of course he's guilty though

SecretKeeper1 · 15/02/2022 20:56

@wealllovepj

I won't be celebrating the jubilee this year They can all do one as far as I'm concerned.
Yes it would be much better if we had our Prime Minister as head honcho of the country.

Said no one ever.

wealllovepj · 15/02/2022 20:59

Nicolas Witchell seems a bit of an arse.
He always looks like he has stepped in dog poo and smelling it under that desk he sits at pontificating about them all ..
I wish they could just get shot if the lot of them.

IcedPurple · 15/02/2022 21:02

It's almost as if there were very powerful forces at play that can make things 'go away'. It stinks.

The overwhelming majority of civil cases are settled outside of court.

It would have been much more of a shock had this gone to trial.

HairyMunchkin · 15/02/2022 21:03

@Gardeningcreature

I’m quite annoyed she settled for the money. To me it will lead to lots of people believing anyone who brings about a similar case is just doing it for the money. She claimed she wasn’t doing it for the money and yet she has settled…..for the money. As far as I understand ‘charities’ can be set up fairly easily in the U.S. and VG can make herself part of that charity and a beneficiary. I am deeply disappointed and feel she has let down other victims. Also wtf is this Charity for Victims? What exactly does it do? Is it a registered charity or just something VG can set up and benefit financially from? The whole episode is sickening, from the men who went along with it and only decided to speak out when it no longer benefitted them not to, to people who went to these parties and never questioned what young women were doing there copping off with rich (married?) older men.
This, with bells on. Personally, as a victim of an attack at age 16, I have no price. I just want the man who did it to me to be away from other women for the rest of his life.

I really believed her, and now I don’t and I’m so hurt.

Perhaps every woman is different, I just find it hard to accept that money helps anything whatsoever.

And yeah what is her charity meant to do? Will it delete my memories? Otherwise what’s the point.

wealllovepj · 15/02/2022 21:04

So, pay Virginia off and hope something bigger news wise comes along to knock it all off the front pages in a couple of days time so we can all doff our caps in June and ( some ) people can have a few extra days off in June when it'll probably rain and the celebrations they line up will be as bad as it was for the 60th anniversary with more people going on about how marvelous it's all been.

BirdTurd · 15/02/2022 21:16

@HairyMunchkin I believe her. I think she’s risked her life to pursue this claim; she really could have been bumped off at any time and in fact I am still fearful of her future safety.

This is rough justice if you’re a victim of a sexual crime, I agree. He wouldn’t have settled if he hadn’t done it, though.

blyn72 · 15/02/2022 21:17

I wonder if we have heard the last of Virginia Guiffre.

wealllovepj · 15/02/2022 21:19

The Queen apart , they are a rum bunch arn't they ?
There is Prince Andrew and all this which has been going on for twenty years or more and will still rumble on I'm sure.
The Charles / Diana / Camilla triangle also went on for many years and a young woman in her prime of life ended up dead
The only one not divorced is Prince Edward and I've no idea what he does for a living.
There are a few rumors that Prince William had an affair once ( allegedly) he seems an arrogant one.
Then there is Harry and Meghan : more revelations are around about him and Camilla and the press don't like those two much for moving away from it all.
Kate seems alright , but how she keeps smiling I ve no idea, she has also had her critics too in the past , but generally seems to play the game and tow the lines
They are pretty dysfunctional when you think about it all , but people would rather this than a republic. Where will it all end ?

Gj63 · 15/02/2022 21:20

Get real people.

Andrews press leaked the story about the lost photo just within the last few days. Don't believe for a second the settlement agreement conversations happened only after that. They have just leaked that to try and make him look less guilty. It's only a civil case not criminal!

SeasonFinale · 15/02/2022 21:21

@Gardeningcreature

I’m quite annoyed she settled for the money. To me it will lead to lots of people believing anyone who brings about a similar case is just doing it for the money. She claimed she wasn’t doing it for the money and yet she has settled…..for the money. As far as I understand ‘charities’ can be set up fairly easily in the U.S. and VG can make herself part of that charity and a beneficiary. I am deeply disappointed and feel she has let down other victims. Also wtf is this Charity for Victims? What exactly does it do? Is it a registered charity or just something VG can set up and benefit financially from? The whole episode is sickening, from the men who went along with it and only decided to speak out when it no longer benefitted them not to, to people who went to these parties and never questioned what young women were doing there copping off with rich (married?) older men.
It is a civil case. The only outcome is money.

She either settles for the money or is awarded money.

At the point she is made an offer they have to decide whether at trial she would be awarded more than the amount offered.

If she was awarded the same or less she would be liable for all his costs and all her costs from the date date the offer. Most costs are incurred at trial.

As the offer is a significantly high amount she has done the sensible thing in a case where the only outcome is money!

TatianaBis · 15/02/2022 21:22

This, with bells on. Personally, as a victim of an attack at age 16, I have no price. I just want the man who did it to me to be away from other women for the rest of his life.

With all due respect are you taking on the royal family and enduring global media scrutiny over it? I don’t think any of us can even conceive what that must be like.

It’s very easy to be brave on someone else’s behalf.

The misogyny and victim blaming in this thread is a tiny fraction of what she’s had to deal with.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 15/02/2022 21:22

They probably realised they couldn't win without releasing loads of gory details that would damage the royal family and if he lost it could be disastrous.

Gj63 · 15/02/2022 21:25

I am sure she and her backers knew this wouldn't go to trial. I don't blame her for settling. Her life has been in enough turmoil.

TatianaBis · 15/02/2022 21:26

I really believed her, and now I don’t and I’m so hurt.

I believe her. And I think you’re wasting energy feeling hurt.

Perhaps you have not grasped that the only option in a civil case is money. It was much less of a long shot than a criminal case given that trafficking was not criminalised in this country until after the events and that she was not under the age of consent here.

Figgygal · 15/02/2022 21:26

He was so arrogant he probably thought she wanted to have sex with him
Even if they can prove he had sex with her noone can prove what he knew about why she might have done it
She has been accused of bragging about sex with andrew as well as of grooming other girls into coming into the set up.
Im not surprised hes paid to get this over with and im not surprised at all shes taken more money.
The whole thing is grubby and was never about justice in a criminal court it was always going to end in a monetary award

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