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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to not want my DH at my birthday party

133 replies

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 12/02/2022 22:59

It's my birthday coming up - just a standard one (not a milestone). I just want a girls night and don't want my husband there or any of their husbands/partners. After being stuck in a man/boy house all this pandemic, I only like the company of my female friends and family members to be honest. Hanging out socially with my husband feels like a chore and changes the dynamic of all-female gatherings. And I want to actually have a fun birthday this year (after not celebrating the past 3 years (including my 30th) due to being in labour on my 30th and covid the past 2 years.

Would this be weird? Would you think it's strange if you were invited to a friends birthday and her husband wasn't there and she said no (male) partners allowed?

YABU - yes it's weird, your DH should be there and husbands should be welcome
YANBU - no it's completely fine, men are boring

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 13/02/2022 14:14

OP, I've read through all your posts but not all the replies.

I think you should get this thread moved to Relationships or start a new thread there, with a summary of the main issues and not just the birthday question. I think many people are just going to respond to the birthday question without reading all your posts and considering the other issues in the relationship. In a healthy relationship, it would be strange not to want to celebrate your birthday with your spouse. In this relationship, which is not at all healthy, it's completely understandable that you don't want to.

I think it's great that you've decided to get counselling for yourself and hopefully it will help you to work out how you feel about your husband and what (if anything) you want to do.

Can I suggest that you read through all these comments, imagining that your sister or friend has written them about her husband - what would you think?

he's quite a negative person in terms of outlook and I'm someone who is naturally positive but my mood is very affected by the people around me. So being locked in a home together with him for extended periods over the past 2 years was quite draining. I find that these days I only laugh and feel like the old happy me when he's not there.

my husband moans and drags his feet about anything remotely "girly" that I used to enjoy (such as shopping, romcoms, doing my hair/makeup to get ready etc)

A date night with him would probably consist of him ranting about politics how the country's going to shit. I'd rather not.

He's a half glass empty kind of person (e.g. if I want us to go on a day out anywhere as a family he'll insist it's too hard, the kids will play up, there'll be too much traffic etc. and then when we're there he'll be wanting to go home early). He also can have a short fuse and can be a bit shouty when he's stressed (whereas I am more laid back) - ultimately harmless but it means home life is not exactly relaxing.

we never laugh together anymore - I don't find him funny or fun.

I don't really go out that much. But when I have done we have had some arguments over him checking up on me all the time.

I actually went out with just one of my sisters for my birthday a few years ago and he was so moody about it the next day that it wasn't worth it.

he also dominates the conversation so he really does change the dynamics of a gathering (think speaking 90% of the time).

If he loses his temper, does something wrong, or life/accidents happen, he'll always blame me or the kids.

When our other son was admitted back into hospital for malnutrition as a 2 day old newborn, his first reaction was to tell me it was my fault for choosing to breastfeed.

there were a couple of red flags while we were dating that I ignored (such as DH accusing me of wanting to cheat on him with a colleague at a work event because I'd invited said colleague to head elsewhere for drinks with a group of us, and another time getting angry and shouting at me in front of his friends at a wedding, which they told him off for).

He sounds negative, critical, controlling and rude. Abuse can be more subtle than physical aggression or verbal name-calling. I think he is abusive. Either way, he is not making you happy - quite the opposite, in fact. Think very carefully about what you want your life to be like, and what you want to teach your sons about relationships and how they should treat women. You don't want to end up like your MIL, with your sons behaving like your DH is.

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 13/02/2022 14:42

@AnotherEmma thanks so much for taking the time to respond. If my friend was telling me all that I probably would tell them life is too short. But I guess I've never seen him as abusive because I'm a strong-willed person so I do always let him know whenever I think he's crossed a line. My mum kept sending me links to the freedom programme last year and I told her to stop as I'm not in an abusive relationship but maybe I should look into it. I'm also remembering that he has completely lost his shit at a couple of my female family members on two separate occasions (shouting and swearing at them) - I've told him if it happens again then we're over and he hasn't done it since. None of it every seems serious enough on its own to break up a family over.

Also the thing is he has loads of male (and a couple of female) friends, and they all love him and joke about his temper issues lovingly. So that also confuses me - if he was so awful then how come he has so many friends, and is the kind of person who knows everyone and everybody knows?

OP posts:
AnotherEmma · 13/02/2022 14:51

"Also the thing is he has loads of male (and a couple of female) friends, and they all love him and joke about his temper issues lovingly. So that also confuses me - if he was so awful then how come he has so many friends, and is the kind of person who knows everyone and everybody knows?"

They don't have to live with him, do they?!

Some reading for you:

www.healthline.com/health/signs-of-mental-abuse

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2268977-The-Abuser-Profiles

www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/abusers.html

CleansUpButWouldPreferNotTo · 13/02/2022 14:53

if he was so awful then how come he has so many friends, and is the kind of person who knows everyone and everybody knows?

because they don't have to live with him. A few hours here and there is fun, 24/7 with him is not.

babyjellyfish · 13/02/2022 14:54

YANBU but I would want to celebrate separately with my husband.

It's my birthday soon and my husband and I are taking the day off work and going out for lunch.

I want to go out for drinks with my friends as well but they are all women, and even if we got a babysitter so my husband could come out too, none of my friends' partners would come because they'd all be at home with their kids.

girafferafferaffe · 13/02/2022 15:01

I was ready to come on here and say how awful it was that you didn't want to do anything with your husband for your birthday but I absolutely see why now. He sounds like a terrible person to be around. I would definitely do a girls night out. But also look in to counselling with him. I do believe that (if they want to and put in the work) people can change. But reading about his personality I don't hold out much hope..

Georgeskitchen · 13/02/2022 15:22

You want a girls night out for your birthday. You are absolutely NOT being unreasonable!!

Anonymous48 · 13/02/2022 15:27

You are not being unreasonable for wanting a night out with the girls. We all need that from time to time. But if you'd rather do that then go out with your husband for your birthday, then I think that's an issue.

REignbow · 13/02/2022 15:37

@ParisLondonTokyoSlough of course you think that you are not in an abusive relationship, because probably you think individually his behaviour can be explained.

The more that you write, the more it is very clear that you are in an abusive relationship and those that care for you see this too.

Go to counselling on your own and all read the Lundy Bancroft book “why does he do that”, as I’m sure that will open your eyes.

BearOfEasttown · 13/02/2022 15:40

I am going against the grain here and think it's very odd.

Go for a bit of a shindig with your galpals yeah, but to have a party - like the main party - for your birthday, and exclude your HUSBAND suggests the marriage is in trouble (to me anyway...)

REignbow · 13/02/2022 16:00

@BearOfEasttown the marriage is in trouble. The OP’s DH is an abusive dementor!

ChocolateMassacre · 13/02/2022 16:04

I'm sorry, OP, he's sounding worse and worse. This doesn't sound like a case of you growing apart but more that he's an angry, dominating, short-tempered man who is dragging you down.

When you imagine your future with him, how does it make you feel?

watchtheglitterdustswirl · 13/02/2022 16:14

My DH never comes out for my birthday!

We usually do something together on the night as it's usually in the week, so he might take me for a nice meal etc. Then on the weekend I go out with my friends for a birthday night out.

No husbands or men invited, they're our childcare! And how can we moan about them if they're there?

Have your girls night OP.

planningtomakeaplan · 13/02/2022 16:15

I don't really go out that much. But when I have done we have had some arguments over him checking up on me all the time. We had a huge one last year over a time I went for drinks at a friends house and he texted me dozens of times over the course of the evening, and when I stopped responding as it was ruining my night, proceeded to message and call my friends to "check if I was OK".

This is classic controlling behaviour. And now, the whole point of this thread is that you're considering not having a night out with your friends as it'll upset him.

There are lots of ways controlling people exert influence on people they want to own and control. They may not always be obvious, but the ones you've mentioned - like constant checking up on you, you being afraid of his reaction to you wanting to spend time with friends, him accusing you of flirting with / wanting to have an affair with other men are classic red flags.

Do any of the others on this list chime with you?

www.regain.us/advice/domestic-violence/a-short-emotional-abuse-checklist-20-red-flags-in-your-relationship-what-you-can-do/

ParisLondonTokyoSlough · 13/02/2022 16:18

When you imagine your future with him, how does it make you feel?
Tired.

I'm actually really surprised that his has turned into an abuse thread. He's not perfect but I'm 99% sure he's not an abuser. He self describes himself as a "force of nature" who needs someone strong to keep him in check. I guess that's why I'm tired as I just was a very happy, laid back, peaceful person who saw the best in everyone before I met him. And now I give as good as I get (if you can't beat the join them) - which I'm conscious is teaching my children the same negative cycle, and has also turned me into someone I don't like. So he could even say I'm abusive - he says I'm critical and nag him and that he can't do anything right in my eyes. That probably is true but I don't nag about housework or things like that, more about the way he parents and negative things he says. So I guess on these standards I'm abusive too?

OP posts:
planningtomakeaplan · 13/02/2022 16:21

if he was so awful then how come he has so many friends, and is the kind of person who knows everyone and everybody knows?

It would be a much easier world to live in if it was split up into good and bad people, and the bad people were easily identifiable because they were downright nasty to everyone all the time, never showing kindness, empathy or being fun to be around.

But the reality is people are complex, as are relationships.

The bully in my class was charming, funny and fun. She was great at coming up with fun ideas for us all to do. Lots of people loved her. However, she could also be manipulative, cold, underhand and cruel. The way she treated people who were out of her favour was horrendous and I wouldn't be surprised if that affected them into adulthood.

It's not black and white. Your DH could be the head of the charity doing the most worthy humanitarian work around the world AND run a kitten sanctuary and be the absolute life and soul of the party - and still be a controlling, abusive man who was making his wife's world smaller and more miserable day by day.

It doesn't matter what other people think of him. What matters is what goes on between you. And it sounds like this relationship is no only over, that's a very good thing. I suspect you'll flourish without him keeping you down. You only have one life. Don't waste it with a grumpy old git you don't even want to have a meal out with.

planningtomakeaplan · 13/02/2022 16:23

Regardless of whether he's abusive or not, is this the life you want? Is he making you happy? Does he bring out the best in you? Is your relationship a good model for your DC to follow?

REignbow · 13/02/2022 16:37

@ParisLondonTokyoSlough the fact that your own has sent you links to the freedom programme speaks volumes.

Coercive control is a crime. The fact that you don’t bother to go out because of his moods or he constantly calls/texts you when you are out is controlling.

ChocolateMassacre · 13/02/2022 16:39

So he could even say I'm abusive - he says I'm critical and nag him and that he can't do anything right in my eyes. That probably is true but I don't nag about housework or things like that, more about the way he parents and negative things he says. So I guess on these standards I'm abusive too?

Emotional abuse is complex. It's important to focus on the overall picture. Likewise, it is possible for there to be abusive or harmful behaviour on both sides (I'm not saying that's necessarily the case here). Signs of abuse include ignoring your partner's boundaries, being controlling or possessive towards them, isolating them or preventing them from socialising, being constantly judgmental or putting them down, manipulating them emotionally, being dismissive of their wishes and feelings, humiliating them or negating them, intimidating behaviour like shouting, yelling or invading their personal space, giving them the silent treatment, being patronizing or belittling towards them, constantly interrupting them, publicly embarrassing them, making hurtful or derogatory remarks and then gaslighting by pretending it was a 'joke', emotionally blackmailing them, guilt-tripping, goading and blaming, denying or trivializing their behaviour and blaming others. Spying on your partner or monitoring their whereabouts is a big red flag.

dapsnotplimsolls · 13/02/2022 16:58

Counselling asap. Preferably for both of you but you alone if he refuses or drags his heels.

AnotherEmma · 13/02/2022 17:01

"he says I'm critical and nag him and that he can't do anything right in my eyes. That probably is true but I don't nag about housework or things like that, more about the way he parents and negative things he says. So I guess on these standards I'm abusive too?"

It's not abusive to point out behaviour that you don't like, as long as you do it in a constructive and respectful way, and as long as you don't always criticise.

However, it is common for abusers not to tolerate any kind of disagreement or criticism. DARVO is also an abusive tactic (deny and reverse victim and offender).

Kite22 · 13/02/2022 17:22

I think this is the most 2 telling things you have written:

My mum kept sending me links to the freedom programme last year and I told her to stop as I'm not in an abusive relationship but maybe I should look into it. I'm also remembering that he has completely lost his shit at a couple of my female family members on two separate occasions (shouting and swearing at them) - I've told him if it happens again then we're over and he hasn't done it since. None of it every seems serious enough on its own to break up a family over.

Your own mother has been sending you links to the Freedom programme.
Read that again.

Then losing his shit at female friends of yours, not once, but twice !! Shock . If that doesn't ring massive alarm bells (even once, but TWICE!!) then your sense of perspective has been ground down and warped so far from "normality" - this is the reason your Mum has been sending you links to the Freedom Programme.

Please do it.
Please read the links other posters have posted.
Please think of your dc and what they are seeing every day.
Pease think of not the next 2 or 3 years (which will be a challenge) but the next 40 or 50 years of your life and the next 80 years of your dcs' lives.

OnwardsAndSideways1 · 13/02/2022 17:45

I think lots of people have already said it but a couple of things jumped out at me.

You said why do people like him? My guess is that he's the life and soul of the party for that one or two hours til he becomes shouty and abusive, and guess what, then no-one likes him, they are actually scared of him. Your mum doesn't like him, she's worried about you, the two relatives he's shouted at (this is an absolute deal-breaker for me) don't like him, my guess is one of them is your mum, your sisters don't like him, the people at the wedding telling him to stop shouting at you don't like him, your friends probably don't like him and the way he treats you- the only people who probably like him are his own family and friends who either treat women the same way themselves or are worried when he kicks off. I really think you are overestimating how many people who know him well and see his daily behaviour like him. I don't count people down the pub that see a different side to him, you don't live with that man, you live with the grumpy aggressive one.

You say you have given as good as you got, and he says he needs someone 'strong' but in fact, you are already avoiding him most of the time, you don't want to watch TV with him, or go out with him or celebrate with him. You are avoiding him, but this won't work forever, I daren't ask about your love life as I suspect he coerces you there as well.

You are the boiling frog, OP, who has been around this so long that you think it's normal. What you have written about your partner is so far from normal, I don't know where to start. He sounds awful, and you know he's awful which is why you don't want a night out with him in it, don't want a dinner date, don't even want to watch TV.

I would talk to your close family and friends about what to do next and also a counsellor. Also, if he's an angry man he may become very angry if you tried to leave so I suggest you do the Freedom programme and consider asking for help from Women's Aid if you feel threatened.

You might think this is irrelevant as 'he's not abusive' but he's only not more abusive as you have either stopped going out or avoiding him to avoid setting him off.

Sorry if this isn't the way you wanted the thread to go but you did write all that stuff about him and that's what people are responding to. Your mum has your back luckily.

itsjustnotok · 13/02/2022 17:47

It’s perfectly fine to celebrate with friends but the fact you don’t seem to want any kind of celebration and are calling being with him
a chore is.

JustUseTheDoorSanta · 13/02/2022 18:05

@Kite22

I would like to "un-vote" as I clicked YANBU - which is what I think about the night out but I do not want to vote "men are boring"

I agree with others, the fact you find it a 'chore' to go out with your dh is not sounding good.

However, going for a meal, or a few drinks or a dance with the gals is a perfectly normal and usual thing to do, in my world.

This.

I would hate all your girlie activities, but it's fine to have a night out just with mates. I do that every few months anyway, though some of them happen to be male in my case. It's still a different vibe than having all the partners along. Even when at his most irritating at home, DH is still great fun for me to go out with, I can't imagine just not wanting to spend time together at all. That bit needs attention.